Equal pension rights for Veterans of Her Majesty's Forces serving before 1975.

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Im asking you all to get. Robs Doc from our group, und send it to you politition und group address ist in der on this .page.

Join the group, and post your situations at the time of your service on the group.

The group on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=group which I started in 2014 has been working very hard to get recognition and a pension for all pre-1975 Veterans. A petition https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/equal-pension-rights-for-veterans-of-her-majesties-forces-serving-before-1975?fbclid=IwAR15HrJ7TuEF9XlC1Jw-

1975er
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen.
Since 1975 many attempts have been made to obtain equal rights for Military Veterans who served before 1975 and had to serve 22 years as an Ordinary Rank, and 16 as an Officer all have failed, all receiving it appears like the same letter of refusal, and all using the same excuse for not wishing to pay the pre 1975 Veterans any sort of military pension at all.
Sadly the nature of things has seen a rapid decrease of the Veterans in need, due to being on the last parade.

Thanks once again for the support 38°, super. P=lease feel free to donate a pound or two if you can.

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A member of our group has bought some military first day covers i placed on the group, and the monies have been sent to 38°John E Cole
Admin · 15 mins

The sale of the First day covers brought in 90gbp, and i would like to thank Derek openly for the super offer, which has been received by 38°.
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The Eu stated that it was nor within their parameters, as it is a pure state thing. however they morally supported the attempt. Thanks for all of your efforts, well done. I have sold some military first day covers and 100€ is on its way to 38° as they provide our platform.

Thanks to 38° for providing a super platform, and backing for our petition.

The link provides The latest version of Robs Doc, a comprehensive document proving the situation before 1975. Please use to send to your Mps.... It can be opened on many providers. I use Libre Office a free open source system.

https://www.facebook.com/download/438599126963765/Robs%20Doc%20CID%201975ers%20plus%20change%20by%20FPS.doc?av=100006511770882&eav=AfZu7WJPVOuoroWA0FVlc_qwKFMQJeOw35NPgKSxgbYOVewfMGCV3fA_nfpNA1v_EG8&hash=AcoPQ31P8n6zmXJH The link for the Robs Doc to send to your Mps.

https://www.facebook.com/download/933148717030453/Version%201%20CID%201975ers%20%281%29%20-%20Kopie.odt?av=100006511770882&eav=AfZzy0u5eebYeK2GrftYkrU-wMQuxEHQhtYMwUNs7Hs-E0KgHZd9WCXAFIh4zjNhxNE&hash=AcqTDyUFLkqFt-fh

Good day, we are sending Robs Doc to all we can who may be interested, and in some cases not. I will publish the links etc at a later date, as we have to wait to see how they are received by our politicians, We luckily have some who really care about us, from the main parties. Take Care.

Hi sorry for the no info period....we have been very busy on the group, and have now a Doc made up by Mr R Parris an admin. We are waiting for some answers, and when we have them we would like you all to contact your Mps, with a request to support you and the petition and group. Take care

https://www.facebook.com/download/2312451059011593/MP_Responses%20%285%29%20%281%29.xlsx?av=100006511770882&eav=AfbY2blg_KFrxqKRIYcV2eY95Pd19DnWZd0NDXNJVUwSrk-s8tU3cafQzmRHRncp4qM&hash=Acodt6LTAbsKPvj0 If i did it right thi is a copy of the spread sheet. select your MP and send him https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/permalink/2190967190992768/ with a your reason for asking for his or her help.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=group_header here is our group, take a look, we are closed so ask to join, and a admin will review your querry. We are looking for active members to start a campaign, when the time is ripe.

Fantastic-and cool we are over the 24000 mark, and have 22 lads and lasses looking for membership of our FB group. Thanks to all of the new lads and lasses that have signed our petition.

Hi we are slowly gathering speed, and Rob Parris is busy again, so we will have some more info inthe near future. As we go deeper into the Hansard Papers we realise more and more that we were more than used and abused, we were Used, Abused, and acused, of being the same as a pen pusher. We have the greatest respect for the Police and the Fire service, but we deny being the same as they are. which is the excuse used so as not to pay us our due rights. Not one Fire Man or woman, or Police man or woman would say that thier job is the same as ours. Thanks to you all for signing, and to 38° for providing the platform. Take Care

Thanks to 38° for giving us a platform, and to all of you who have signed, why not join the group on FB We For**************and you will find us. Ask to join fill in the question, as we try to avoid the Spammers that are being placed.

Back on the group, Robs new document with additions from 2 other members of the group is nearly finished, already there have been some changes in some of the MODs statements, as we on the group begin to touch points that were use and abuse. You are right loyalty can only be paid back by loyalty, and not the dump attitude that has been coming from the Cabinet, and the MOD. Our newest members work is a database, with all of the Mps in Parliament so as we can write to our Mps, and also includes a time database, showing the period where massive De-mobs took place, proving it was to avoid paying the 22 years entitlement.

Hi i am sorry for the long period of silence, but due to Brexit we are waiting, and re-grouping.
A new Member of our group https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=group_header has written a super Document proving that our efforts are genuine. https://www.facebook.com/download/638939016576161/Robs%20Doc%20CID%201975ers.doc?hash=Aco-3EyFL8_pBaDT please use this, and send it to your MP with your letter as to why you are sending him or her the Doc.

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d675b8ae-9f37-4f78-988d-87d973607b99?fbclid=IwAR32SXZPnejDbvhO1c9r_VGyonOZnUzJNjS3KeLBOOihH7pGDfqJ5iVCxEI

https://hansard.parliament.uk/%E2%80%A6/deb%E2%80%A6/15031616000001/Veterans%E2%80%99Pensions Worth reading to get informed a bit.

We have been very active on the QT, as Brexit is taking the politicians out of normal thinking. A new member of the group Rob Parris has researched our stock of information and much new, from Gov Org sources, and has produced a new DOC which proves that we were used and abused. When things have quietened down, we will get back to fighting position again, so bear with us a while. Thanks for your signatures to the petition, and your assistance in your and our aims.

If you have time read the hansard reports, interesting and proving that we were used and abused.

Notice, we were not even allowed to provide for ourselves by having a private pension scheme. which also reduced our chances of providing for our future. In other words we wont provide unless you serve 22 years, and you cannot provide for your self.

John E Cole shared a link.
Admin · 7 mins
The veterans have the following grievances. First, pre-1975 military service personnel were forbidden from enrolling in or contributing in any way to a pension scheme from a conventional pension provider. The Ministry of Defence deemed that service personnel were, by nature of their service, entitled to a military pension only if they completed 22 years of service—that was conditional on rank—and it did not allow individuals to make personal pension arrangements. Obviously, that restriction unfairly impeded those individuals minded to do so from having the opportunity to make personal choices regarding financial provision in later life. From https://hansard.parliament.uk/…/deb…/15031616000001/Veterans’Pensions

Panorama, and the RBL have been asked for support, todate the RBL have answered in a very positive manner, and we are now awaiting the answers from the responsible department. Thanks RBL for your interest. and 38° for supplying the platform.

Hi I have received a letter from MOD which appears to be a computer originated letter, concerning a letter I sent the PM,,,i however believe it to be a careless answer to a 23,000 signature petition, and a dosier with proof that we are entitled t a pension. I request that you do all you can to make this go 10000% virall https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2549239031969798&set=pcb.2062452733844215&type=3&ifg=1&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARDjOTvOsm8TFaZic1xJR_LhpzktQ3TGA3u_z72mWp2c9q64TEMBJbodeZRHQeQrm7sPUqopRaMtppBd Please help, we on the group will not give in to ignorance, used and abused we can fight back.

Hi, I hope you all had a super Christmas, and we from the group wish you all a healthy and happy new year.
We are looking for some onr to take over from Chris Reese who has been doing most work in he UK, ir presenting the petition, and research. Chris due to health reasons has to slow down, and that is why we hope to be able to get some one to look after the petition as far as reacting too the Mirror if they decide to publish some more for us. https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?multi_permalinks=2046046495484839&notif_id=1547200197386259&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic….please post here if you are interest, ask for membership before please, wil be dealt with straight away.

Hi all, we are now on the wait line. Brexit is taking all the push at the moment, so I fear we will have to wait. We have the conformation that the petition has been passed to the dealing authority. I fear probably the same civil servants that created the problems for us in the 1975 ara. How ever the group wish you all A very Happy Christmas, and a happy New Year. We will keep up our efforts in the New Year, with some new ideas, and more pressure. Take Care.

Hi all, we are now awaiting the answer to our petition and a folder with many details of our plight from many members of this petition. I am asking a big favour would you all ask two members of your family to sign the petition, hat would increase our weight in the further efforts we will be making.

IMPORTANT; All of those that have also posted their reasons for signing the petition, we are asking you if you could write a letter to your MP, asking if he supports your efforts for Justice for you, and members of the group, you can then let them know how you feel about an MP that will not support you, but wants your vote. As it is time that they learn that they are there for us, and not we for them. Thanks in advance, if you want a pre written letter let me know, on the group, and I will organise one.

Hi, many of you may have seen the report on our presentation in the Sunday Mirror, I have received a reply that it has been sent o the right department. This time it took two days for the reply, so it looks good. The report was unbiased and I have thanked the reporters for the good work. Thanks to 38° has also been sent.

Firstly thanks to 38° for providing a top platform. Thanks too all that have signed, and posted the reasons for signing. We are getting all of our information together to make a dossier, and we will use some of the postings here to support or efforts. The petition was presented on the 24th Oct at no 10, and the small team was supported by two journalists from the Mirror Group to whom we are very thankful, A full report was in the Sunday Mirror on the following Sunday, and has received some very positive replies.

Thanks from us all to you all......sounds daft but we must thank each other for signing, and and posting the reason for signing. we will be using the posts here, but it would be nice to have some more.

2.30 pm. On the 24th, those that may be interested in joining Chris and his small team please read the letter, as the documents you require are noted there. Thanks too all of you that have supported us on the long sometimes very hard journey, to those that were negative thanks, as that helps in sharpening those that supported, and support us. You will have the chance to help us by sending Chris a small write up explaining why you did not get a military pension, no matter when.

News News News We have a date, on the 24th Chris Reese, and another four persons will be delivering OUR petition to No 10. There is nothing stopping members of the petition from supporting the small team, but only the six will be allowed into Downing street to present the petition, obvious as today the safety is paramount. Thanks 38° for the super platform and all of you that signed the petition here. we will publish the results, and a resume of how the delivery went. take care, and once again THANKS.

Good morning all, with the thought of forth coming elections, we will have to consider the presentation of the Petition, any ideas will be welcome on the group. https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=we%20for%20veterans%2C%20justice%20starts%20with%20us%3A

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=442984362891218&set=gm.1867622779993879&type=3 Lord Dannatts letter. for your info-.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fhansard.parliament.uk%2FCommons%2F1968-01-26%2Fdebates%2F1bc93381-78d4-4df1-9acf-ef66da85b0a2%2FPublicServiceAndArmedForcesPensionsReviewBill%3Fhighlight%3Dintroduction%2520social%2520security%2520acts%23contribution-06d5cd5d-11e2-4299-ae28-f2e1a5d4ac55&h=AT2k7fnq3scxTbW4LWGzz3D0AP8caMeVbwMnPe-pYoz43BQ1VyK7GZcerNWkblcOFM8_2buAjezyysuMMA_WkBEesMhUGngHk5aqC_JaG2-5Mkk0iVwis8MqpLh4CvZONDeuhKiXgrOLp3zDoObWQKp_VVbUqtGFTY46xw Some very interesting reading about the AFPS in the 1975 area.

We need 4 volunteers to be interviewed at the moment we have one volunteer from four needed, so please come forward if you feel you can help us, and have been involved in the debacle that was supposed to be our pension. Interesting for us would be at least one that lost out due to a health problem, better if it was due to service. Remember what we achieve today would help those we leave behind when we go on the last parade. Now a cheer up, The Lord Dannatt has confirmed that he will help us, so maybe a meeting with him, and a couple from the group who are prepared to go with Chris will help us as well. May be as Chris is very busy for us, two of you could attend if General Dannatt agrees to a meeting. Let me know.....I hope that we have the four Luverly people by the end of the day. take care, and thanks in advance. Contact me on the group https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=group_header

Hi All, things are moving forward and i am pleased to report that The General Lord Dannatt has agreed in a letter too Chris Reese to support us. i have answered the letter for the group thanking him for his offer of assistance which we will take up in the near future. The group membership has increased, and of course the number of signatures here. Thanks too you all for the signatures, and too 38° for providing the perfect platform for the petition.

The uk admin Chris Reese has put together a presentation which you can load down just join the group, and become active. However we will publish the complete thing here so that you can print it, and then send it to your MP. Tell him or her that you would like them to support you and the petition, and that you can only consider voting for some one that supports you, and that actions are the proof and not a load of promises that fade away woth the evening breeze. Be firm, its your pension you have signed for, not theirs. Thanks in advance ….

Hi https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=601042769985226&ref=br_rs This is our group which has been working at the presentation of this Petition.

Hi all just 8 to go for the 20000, and then we will tick over. Chris has a video which he will be placing some time in the future. A letter will be sent too Lord Dannatt next week, and the result of the video and the letter will indicate to us which route we will be taking in the future. Wishing you all good health, and happiness, see you next week.
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Good day all, Chris who deals with the petition on our group has had a reply from the Pms correspondence officer, referring our subject to the PM Our request has been forwarded to the MOD, as they according to the PM are responsible for the Request.

Good day all, I feel just as Chris does about his reply and I intend to post this on all of the military groups I can get to take it. As usual I will be polite but very concrete on how the 20,000 who signed the petition feel. We have been ignored with a fob of letter, as the reply from the MOD will be probably the same, a coppy of the last up dated. This is more than disgusting it is a shot in the butt from those who are supposed tpo look after us and help us..... The above is the answer I will placing on all the groups I can. PLease take the time to write to your mps about how ou feel about this form of neglect.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2114835092076863&set=gm.1321041921318637&type=3 For those interested, our group All here are welcome.

Thanks to all of you that have signed, and to those that have done so today, and of course to 38° for providng the platform for our petition.

We have added a picture, It is a group of young soldiers on there way on detachment to the American Forces in Germany, it was what I call being on active duty in the Cold War. As you can see we all served before 1975. As we are a petition concerning all arms, I will look for another pic with that theme. Wishing you all nothing but the best, and us all success.

Good morning all Brexit is taking its toll, and we are still awaiting replies from Lord Dannatt, and the Prime minister. Chris who is admin of our group https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=group_header has compiled a briefing with very good reaons proving that we were not treated correctly to say the least. Join the group all are welcome who are interested.

John E Cole
Admin · 5 mins
Morning all, well done England you could take the cup. Today Chris is going to send a reminder concerning our letters to Lord Dannatt, and Mrs May. and with the signatures on our petition we should have a good chance to get some positive replies.

Hi all, at the moment we are in low gear, as Brexit is taking most of the attention of the persons we need to push our efforts foreword, we will however keep our noses on the grind stone.. Our thanks to all that have signed, and 38° for providing the platform.

Hi All, its been a few days since I have posted, but we are waiting for a reply from Lord Dannatt, as to how he got on......I was blocked on FB for a few days, why I do not know as I am never abusive or the like. but who knows.....punished with out a trial.......Thanks for the signatures, I will update at the end of the week.

Chris who is looking after things for me in the UK, starts making a film concerning our petition, which will be after approval placed on You Tube. We have been sharing the petition again, and thanks to all of you have signed. Amazing how the help of a VIP can move things, and I am sure the Lord Dannatt will help us a lot more. Of course we well know that the whole thing rests on a Government that is prepared to admit that the politicians in those early days, were not interested in our plight. We hope for more interest now. Take Care.

The letter of tanks to Lord Dannatt is in the post, it just thanks him for his interest, and for his letter. For the first time since we started the petition things are looking up. So many have left us for the big playground in the sky.
We have gathered so much evidence of how we were robbed, by changing dates, or the required age, or the joining of the military with the civil servants as pensions go. all with the intent of deceiving us of our EQUAL RIGHTS and that which is owed to us. Our service cannot be compared with that of the civil service in any way, but was used to remove us from the you get lists, all arranged by one civil servant.

The post brought some very interesting news for us today, the reply from General The Lord Dannatt GCB CBE MC DL to my letter concerning our aims. Therefore I wish to thank Lord Dannatt openly for his interest in our efforts, and for his very welcome letter. I feel it is prudent to await the complete results before finalising. I can assure those who have had a genuin interest in our efforts, and those who have signed the petition that I will fully inform them when the time comes. Have a super Sunday.

Thanks everybody for your help, we will have the best petition. Thanks to 38° for the platform, and their help.

Hi all, thanks for the increased effort, it looks very good.

Thanks all for the super response to my re posting of the Petition. Still waiting for the reply from Lord Dannatt.

Thanks to the those who have recently signed, things are on the move again slowly but sure.

Hi all, sorry for the long delay in posting up-to-date. But we have had a period of sickness, and waiting. We have had a few replies from VIPs but all answer the same, NO....so we re grouped, and have sent a letter too Lord Dannatt and are waiting for his answer. At the moment the MOD, and the Government are showing little interest in Veterans, proven by a new Help Line for Psychological cases, but only for serving persons, and not for Veterans. I will post as soon as I get an answer from Lord Dannatt. Once again thanks for your support and the 38° for providing our platform. Ps the Clip is well on its way. Take Care.

come on now luverly people go to the group sign in and write.

Hi all, Chris on our group https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2114835092076863&set=gm.1321041921318637&type=3 is going to make a clip for You Tube. Please take a look, and provide some info as to why you signed the petition. Things are on the move, as we have to get tied up before Brexit takes to much time. Tanks in advance. John

I am about to publish my last on all of the military groups that I belong to.

Hi all We are settling down after Christmas and the New Year....Chris the admin on our group is going to produce a video for You Tube. A question would you please answer a couple of questions and post the answers on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ It would be nice if you could sign up on the group as well. w e would like to thank you all for the loyalty you have shown over the years, and we will not give up, although at times we were doubting the interest of those responsible for our plight.
1 Please state Service details you do not need to publish your service number.
2 Please state the reason why you were not given a pension.
3 Please state how much information you received about the pension schemes, and by whom you were informed

Hi all, once again a few disappointments, many of the requests made to VIPs have been ignored or turned down. Chris who has been working very hard to get things moving has had to slow down a bit, so we will wait until Christmas has gone, re-group and start again. A request I would like to ask you if you would join our group https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=group_header and see what we are up to. Thanks... We wish you all a Happy Christmas, and a healthy new year.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2114835092076863&set=gm.1321041921318637&type=3
THIS IS OUR GROUP SO PLEASE JON IF YOUVE SIGNED::::::THANKS.

Join us on the petition group PLEASE, we for veterans, justice starts with us: on Face book. We need some more active members, for the presentation of the petition. Age tells its story to many of us I know.....Please help we need you!!!!!!!.

It has been suggested hat I state who refused, it was Prince Harry, or at least his office. We do not know of course if he had seen the letter, or if it fell out on the first Fire Wall. We appreciate I the group that the Prince has a tight schedule, and we respect him. We had hoped however knowing his connections to the military that he would have supported us at least. We have other attempts so we will wait and see what happens over the week.

The first refusal was of course hard, but as we have been fighting for a long while now we will have to wait and see how the others turn out. It is however very sad that the thousands re 1975s, are not worth a meeting. Many of us were National Service lads, who had no option, and took all that was thrown at us, or you had a charge. We had no say what so ever in what happened to us, or in our future. On the Take it or leave it system, that is how much people care for us........Thanks and take Care.

John E Cole
Admin · 4 mins
A very disappointing day today, the first answer to Our request has arrived and is a negative reply. We have however some more requests, so we must wait until they are all answered. When we have the answers we will then publish them, as I feel that to be the most diplomatic way. Sorry, yes my heart is heavy as we have remembrance, and both at once are hard.

We have sent a FOI request for the minuets of the executive meetings leading up to the AFPS75 regulations, they should be available as they cannot be Secret or Top Secret, we will see what happens. Thanks to the new signers.......Take Care.

Hi all, update- Letters have been sent to some VIps which were considered to be good targets, sadly to date we have no replies but time will tell. We posted a thanks on all of the groups on FB where we placed our Petition....I will inform as soon as we have replies to our letters.

Good day, letters have been sent to some VIPs asking for their help in that they support us, and accept the petition. Chris Reese who is running the presentation, as I cannot travel and live in Germany, is going to set up two groups to attend the presentation. Probably 10 people per group. Now we are awaiting replies, ans i will inform you when we have them. One again thanks for your support and to 38 for providing the platform.

Hi I promised to keep you all informed. The letters have been finished, and the aim is a meeting or more in November. We are looking for a party of 10 to include Veteran Ladies who are interested. Chris Rees is our admin in the UK, as I live in Germany and due to health problems cannot travel. Chris is EX Royal Navy, and a very capable Man. We are hoping that we can get enough well informed volunteers, as the aim is a 2 too 3 hour discussion. If you are interested please join the group, giving petition presentation as your reason. https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=group_header

https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/

We are are now over the 19000, and Chris Reese who will be representing me as i cannot travel, is writing to some VIPs, we will let you know how they answered as soon as we have the replies. The intension is to arrange a meeting to be able to discuss the petition, and not just hand it in. One again i would like to thank 38° for the platform, and all of you for supporting us, and taking time to post your reasons for your support, When i started the group and the petition, i was inundated with many postings from im alright jacks, who i believe were worried if we succeeded they would loose out in some way, just goes to show how things change over the years. Some of the togetherness we new whilst serving has gone in the wind. Very saddening, and not only that, worrying. Maybe you would like to join our group, you know where we are on FB, so if you are interested join us.

Hi all, wonderful we have reached the 19000.thanks to you all and 38° for the wonderful effort. We intend to go on to the 20000, and hpe to achive the target by then.
We have had so many reasons as to why we have been supported, and it has been a great help to keep us going......We hope to get real active support when we sumit the Petition. We would like you to give us input as to where you think we should submit the petition.
Please be free to join the group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ we need to know a bit about yourselves, a few question to answer, nothing personal. Thanks for the wonderful help in achieving our aims......The fight is however just starting.

Our intention is to re present the petition at 20000 signatures, and i have written a letter too Prince Harry which i want approval of before i send it. Then i will post it.........i would be greatfull for your opinions as to who we could place the petition.........take care.

Hi, once again a big thanks too all who have signed, our aim of 20000 signatures is getting close. I have received a letter from the MOD, which was an answer to a letter i sent, i had asked why there was a lack of information about pensions as thousands report. The answer was not about my questions, just another letter explaining why we do nt get the pension.

Hi all, we have new evidence that the pre 1975ers were not informed correctly of their pension rights. We have several reports that many did not receive or have any knowledge about the pensions nor the for's and against. PLEASE INFORM US BY E-MAIL IF THIS WAS YOUR CASE AS WELL. Use bora-arob@t-online.de we will only use your information if you state clearly that you give us permission to do so. Please act as it is very important too us, as this evidence has not been used before. I consider you all to be sensible so that i do not need to worry about using my E-mail address.

Thanks lads and lases for the support, we are doing very well. As you may have seen 38°s have agreed to a change in the aim, my thanks for that. It has been decided to consider a VIP as a recipient of the petition, as the response and gut feeling about the petition in the Government, and the MOD are not as expected. WE are no longer accepting the old excuse, to expensive. There is money enough, but it is being spent on the wrong things, the military being at the bottom of the last list, that is sadly reality. But more so the reason not to give up. Once again Thanks.

Hi all, we have had an increase of signatures after yours truly made a posting, and placed it on a super group on FB with over 12000 members, i had asked for 6000 signatures but did not make that, but there was a definable boost in signatures. Thank you ALL, everyone that has signed, and 38° for the platform. We have allowed the election to pass by, and now will be considering which action to take now, including who we wish to present the petition too. Suggestions of a clean nature will be considered herehttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2114835092076863&set=gm.1321041921318637&type=3 you may also join this group if you wish, you are always welcome...

Hi all, we are doing very well, and the team will be preparing to present the petition some when after the Election. Maybe it would be in our interest to find out how your local MP thinks about our petition. Use some of your valuable time to ask him or her what they think, no doubt you will be seeing them in the next day or so. I selected and wrote too 5 Mps all ex military, and from different parties, that was a month ago. Guess what i have not had one reply, so it tells me they are not interested, or purely ignorant, and just do the job for the money. I selected ex military in the hope of getting an answer, but was let down, and i used normal post with a envelope and stamp. On the group we have a few active guys who will ensure the petition is delivered......I will publish details here when we get there, it would be nice if you all join in take care.

Hi First of all i would like to thank in the name of the grouphttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2114835092076863&set=gm.1321041921318637&type=3 all of you that have signed and commentated on 38°. Also thanks to 38° for providing the Plattform for the petition. By posting regularly on many military groups we have achieved very good results for a non sympathy petition, but only your efforts, and support are we able to carry on. After the election we will be presenting the petition in a big effort to obtain the backing needed to get nothing more than that which is owed too us...alone under the Equal Rights Legislation, let alone the fact that we did pay indirectly for the pension. The fact that we worked for 365 days a year,, and often more than 16 hours a day at times proves that no other form of service to our country is the same, or as offen compared with other services as being the same, by the MOD or the Government.

I would like to use some of the remarks posted to advertise our cause a bit, if you have any objections please let us now....no names or personal details will be used. take care.

Hi all, thank you all very much for the signatures to date, and the support. We are considering delivering the petition too Prince Harry as he is now commander of the Marines, and we believe him to be the ideal man to help us.https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=bookmarks Plese join us here and let us know what you think......we will welcome you with open arms......We are none political, but we allow advertising for forces connected charities at the weekends. I would also like to thank 38° for providing the platform for our petition. So join us and take part, your democratic right. John Cole

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We hope you all had a super Easter, as we had. We are now waiting for the election to pass, and tthen we can settle down to prepareing our selves for the future.

We have combined two groups together, and we are now.
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Good day all, we hope you all had a super Easter. We would like to thank you all for the massive support, and for your reasons for signing. We would love to have some help from you to present the petition, and also suggestions as too who we present it to.

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Woops something went wrong there, but not to worry. once again thanks for the signatures to date. take care.

Thanks very much for the signatures we are still recieving please keep up the good work. we have had an answer from the MOd https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2102380119989027&set=gm.1300792136676949&type=3 please take a look at the letter...and my comments. We have decided to keep up the efforts, and we offer you the chance to oin the group https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=group_cover

Hi all. sorry for the long break in writing. We would like to thank all of those that have signed, and shared, for the support. We all know that the wall we are fighting against is a tough one, as it involves money, which the Government seem to have for all, but us. When we looked for active support it was disappointing, as we had practically none....but of course we must take into account that we are all getting shall we say a bit older....To this theme i had a thought, may be our children would take our place, and become active for us. What do you think contact us on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ you can also join the group if you wish the more the merrier. and let us know your thoughts. Once again thanks to 38° for providing a platform for our petition.

An answer to Allan, i feel you are not far of there mate, it seems that they are interested in natural waste. May i suggest, what can we expect from an employer that just uses it employees and instead of helping just in reality tries to ignore them. Take Care.

Thank you all very much for signing, and for informing all you can about our aims and our petition.

TWO I have sent a mail to the MOD Ombusman complaining about the attitude of the MOD in not even bothering to reply using the knowledge of today. The letter from the PMs office did not have a reference No, We on the group have decided to carry on and to keep the petition running. I would like to thank 38° for providing the platform.
Please carry on sharing and signing the petition as we will NOT give up in our efforts to obtain Justice, in our claims.

Hi all i am sorry once again for the delay in informing you all of the situation to date....We on the group https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/1256591524430344/?notif_t=like&notif_id=1487185201602010 presented a part petition to the PM in September, we decided to keep it open as we were getting many signatures. Three days ago i recieved a negative reply including a MOD letter with a reference to th PM as HIM, the letter was not signed nor was thename of the originator printd on the letter. Anyone with common sense knows that this must have been an old reply, used as an answer to another request from another org.

I have changed the wording a bit because there were mistakes in spelling and grammer. There is no change in our aims, nor a slacking in our efforts to get injustice put right.

Well done all, and thanks to those that have just signed. i have been doing a bit of PMing on FB, and have decided to place the petition with Prince Harry next year. Any comments positive or negative are welcome on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=bookmarks. We are pleased for all critic as long as it is not racist political or abuse. Take Care

Hi all, Chris is out of action for a while, but is ok. I have posted the petition on the groups i belong to, and hope for an increase in the signatures. I have written to the PM, and am awaiting a reply. It seems that at the moment no action, maybe brexit is taking all of her time.

Chris who presented the petition no 1 to the PM did a super job, and as he was supported by his family deserves a big thanks. i was disappointed with members of the group, as they did not support the presentation. Thank Heavens that we have total support with the petition here,

I would like to thank all of those that have signed to date, we are doing very well so have decided to carry on. A big thanks to the team at 38% for providing the platform for a super petition (military one do not attract the sympathy that many others do). on our group https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=bookmarks And https://www.facebook.com/groups/covcount/?ref=bookmarks you will find loads of links to information concerning pensions and the Military Covenant. please feel free to apply for membership of the groups, we are always pleased to see active types, who do more than just click as seen lol Take Care

Hi All. We are now going to close the petition, and it will be presented too no 10 on the 7-09-2016, at 1430. The meeting point for those that want to join in will be at Sir Winston Churchill Statue. at 1400hrs. PLEASE NOTE. No Banners-flags-loud hailers. This is not a march but a slow walk down too no10. This is and has always been a non political petition, and we request that the presentation is under the same conditions. THANKS ALL FOR THE SIGNATURES AND 38° FOR THE SUPPORT; AND THE PLATFORM:

Hi all forgive me for not writing again. i have been in hospital, and the love of my life needs my support. Thank you all for the massive effort for this petition, and for the coming support you will give Us i am sure by the presentation. You may have noticed that Chris is running the group on FB, as you know i live in Europe, and am not very mobile, Chris is my UK man. It is intended to present the petition after the referendum on the EU. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1649633925263651&set=gm.726022194153949&type=3 This is our face book group, and you are welcome too join us. A massive THANKS too 38Degrees for providing the platform. Take Care, stay healthy. John.

I apologise for not writing for a while, the group has now a good no 2 so i have more time. https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=bookmarks We are very near our target, and our aim ist to present the pet. this summer. Taking into account the EU vote, Chris will decide when. Please if you can offer help on the group, as Chris will need assistance. I am sadly using wheels ,and cannot travel at all. Thank you all too date, and those that will be signing Take Care Be Good John.

Thank you all for signing, and keeping up the pace. We will be presenting the petition in about 6 months. Chris who has been working on the group will need help so please join us on and help with the presentation. https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=bookmarks

Hi all, firstly i apologise for not writing for a long while. but in my defence i have been sharing the petition over many Veteran and Military groups.

Thanks all for the fantastic response to our petition, it is amazing how it has grown, for a non sympathy petition. Take Care and it is still growing respect.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ If you are intersted in OUR group take a look here.

3 A big thanks to 38° for providing the plateform. Take Care

2 I laugh these days when i hear big family, but those that wish to dream cary on, no problems.
Thank heavens for those that made it but openly support us, and that all the way. I must admit it is very political, a conservative thinker will back the party no matter if they are crap or not. Lets face it they are in power at the moment so they are in the position to act for us, once and for all.

But they dont act in our interests what so ever, only against us. Please keep up the sharing of the petition, this is very important. Take Care and thanks for the effort so far.

Due to sickness my wife is ill i have neglected ma up-date for you all. I am very sorry for this, but i have not forgotten what you all mean to the petition and our aim. I have noticed with regret that many of those who made the grade, are not happy about being reminded that many of us did not make the years needed for a pension, through no fault of our own, but due to those responsible moving the goal posts at regular intervals to suite themselve, and not us. who they should be caring for.

Hi all, i am sorry i have neglected the petition, my wife has been in and out of hospital, but is now ok. On top of that we are hard at it getting ready to present the petition. WE NEED HELP get in touch with me of Chris on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=bookmarks. and let us know how you can help, and if you have any suggestions on how we should act let us know.

Hi all. I am so sorry for the long break in posting but i have been busy nursing my wife, and getting ready to place our petition. A heart felt thanks from us all too you all that have signed, and posted. I have a good help on the group now, and he will be -coordinating things as we get near the great day. Please post if you are interested in helping with action when the day comes. ???. https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=bookmarks

Once again thanks for the votes, we are working on the presentation, but just keep up the good work. Will inform you all when we have the details. Thanks again.

When i started this petition, i never dreamt that it would reach this staggering height. It does not have the sympathy subject that brings in the big votes. For what it is worth i am genuinely proud of you all for signing , and thankful to 38" for the platform. We are nearing the presentation point, and at the moment feeling for the correct path to take. If you have any ideas please post them here. Thanks too you all, and please keep signing and sharing, take care

Over the ten well done all. Take Care

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1arget is very nearly completed-If anyone is interested in presenting the petition please get in touch.
Due to health problems i cannot travel, and need help. Take Care

9387 Thanks all, tKE cARE

Hello, Alan go to https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=bookmarks. and tell us about it please. We have many such reports, but for an unknown reason people won't give a full account about the way they have been screwed.

The new Parliament has a few ex military with seats, maybe good for us, i will ask 38° if we can include them on the recipients list. ? I would also like to thanks 38° for the support over the year, and for that which we will all receive in the future.

A last final effort is required, and we are ready to present. Thanks for the votes to date, and for those to come. Take Care

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1745549562338753&set=gm.10153351388132369&type=1 Here is some interesting reading, plus the proof that we paid for our pensions by recieving a lower wage.........Thanks for the Signatures too date. Take Care-

Keep coming, 100 in the last couple of hours, wont take long at this rate. Take Care

A dream is coming true, I never thought that this petition would reach this amount of votes, thanks too all of you for this fantastic effort. Please keep up the good work, 10.000 being a good target. Take Care.

2. Please consider methods of presentation, and to whom it should be presented too, of course all politicians at Parliament. And let us know if you could be available to help with the presentation. It would be tops if any of you know some VIPs that tend to support the Forces. Take Care.

Election over some of us will be upset, and others happy.....Thats due to the Democracy we enjoy,that was fought for by Service persons of many nations. We sadly are still fighting for pension equal rights, which we payed for. They were stolen from us, without any intention of ever paying them too us. Thank you all for supporting the petition, and its aim. Soon we will be organising its presentation, and will need help for this last phase of our combined efforts.

Hi all sorry for the delay in saying thanks for the last signatures, we are growing in leaps and bounds
We will be sorting out the presentation method after the election, let the excitment of that go by, and then strike at the new government. to see how they react too us.......will also be a good sign of the future with them. Once agin Thanks Take Care. .

There must be loads of good people out there, the target 10k seems to be reality before the election. We will present it too the New Government, sadly due to health reasons i will not be able to attend. But im sure there will be a few who can do that ?????. Thanks and Take Care.

Thanks all, as Jim says lets see if we can get the 10k to present too the new Government after the Election. I am sure we can manage that. take care.

8581 signatures Wonderful. Thanks for the support of this petition, i never thought it would get as many. I believe it would be ideal to present it after the election, but i am not sure. We on the group would be pleased to receive any suggestions. https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/?ref=bookmarks please get in touch. Take Care.

Moving on in leaps and bounds lasses and lads. Thank you all for the fantastic effort, and the resulting signatures. There are promises jumping up all over the place now, due to the elections coming up. But still no statement from anyone that they will give us our equal rights, as far as pensions are concerned. I cant help feeling they don't give a damn for us,

Well i never did--nearly fell off of my lap top when i read the score. Thanks all for the signatures, for the Shares, and most of all for the support. We will have a good petition to present when the time comes. Take Care

Hi all i hope you all had a very happy Easter, and found all of the eggs???. 7481 signatures fantastic. i will be sharing the petition again tomorrow, it is time again. i took life easy for a few days, re tanked some lost energy. Take care all of you and thanks for the wonderful effort, on 38° see you all in the morning Take Care

Thanks all for the fantastic effort well over the 7000 point. i am pleased i did not stop, and will let things run past the election, and then throw it at the new Parliament. There must be money enough too pay our pensions. Why???. If you can give away armaments worth millions then you have the financing to pay your debts towards those that you owe too. Or am i wrong??? Take Care.

2 We have arrived at a situation where political parties spend more time and energy on maintaining the party, and by no means enough action concerning the people. As election time approaches little bits of bait are being thrown to try and catch non alert Fish, the fish being us. But take care we are not asleep, but are wide awake and wont succumb too the smiles that are turned on and off with no feeling behind them......(smile the medium is there) Thank you all for signing-and thanks to those that will. Keep up the good work-share around. i promise to get started on the presentation when i get an offer of help.........Take Care....

SORRY. i have been neglecting the petition for a while, but have not forgotten all of you that have been signing, and will be signing. My mind has been on the future a bit, and i need help. We have many signatures and loads of messages all showing that we are not wasting our time. Members of Her Majesties Forces have been wrongly treated by the powers to be, or just purely neglected. A ray of sunshine has been the County Councils no matter what politics, who have signed the covenant, ans also applied it. Thank you for setting a good example.

Thank you all very much for the support, we will keep going as long as we can......it may be even after the GE.......we will see. Ideas are always welcome.......Take Care.

Thanks all for the signatures too date,,,we are keeping going for a while. Presentation will follow too al MPs by mail shortly before the election. Take Care and thanks again,,,,,,by the way please share with as many people as possible...and too our friendly civilians as well Take Care.

Look like Jims hrd work has made a difference to our votes....climbing slow bu sure.........Thanks all for the signatures,,,Please share where ever you can......Take Care

Hi have you looked??????. I believe that much of that money cannot be accounted for, but our pensions would be every cent we received. Take Care.

I hate this old theme but its true....There seems to be money enough for everything but our pensions (service persons before 1975). All i have read when reading about reciprocal pension is, It would cost to much money. Have you seen the foreign aid cost for 2013 and 2014. Have a Google its more than interesting . of course there are many other search engines to use, if you wish. Take Care.

Jim has posted this link on Forces Reunited. So we will leave it running. Thanks all for the signatures, and welcome to those that have signed after seeing the link address on Forces Reunited. You are welcome too join our group. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1649633925263651&set=gm.726022194153949&type=1 If interested. After reading the posts on FR i can see that many of you have been deprived of your right to receive a Military Pension. Take Care.

Thanks all for signing the petition---Sorry i have been neglecting it for a while.......have been bussy with a few items on my Group...........Take Care

Someone has indicated that he might help, so i will wait until i have his ideas.......Thanks for the votes too date, keep up the good work,,,,,,Take Care.

Thanks all for the effort over the weekend...........I NEED SOME ONE TO TAKE OVER FOR ME; IN THE UK:. DUE TO A BACK OP I CANNOT TRAVEL: any offers....

What a glorious day over 6000 votes, what a wonderful effort from you all........will now look into what we can do. Its a good year this year for a try. Ill let you know Take Care.

A good weekend everyone has been busy signing up on this petition thanks very much. Have you all read the tax evasion thing its in most papers....No wonder there is no money left over for us, would be if they recover all the owed tax......Then we could all get our owed pension, plus a day out on top LOL...Take Care...

Thanks all for the votes and the comments------And 38° for the platform. Cost of living is increasing at a steady rate, but we are still fighting for a pension we thought we would get. Because we believed in what we had been told, many of us thought OAP plus Military pension and our bit of insurance we would be secure. Then we were let down by a Government that do not care a damn about the plight of many....Take Care.

Thanks all for the fantastic effort still going strong,,,,,,,,,Take Care.

Thanks for the votes........lovely people Take Care see you later......

Thanks for the sigies lads and lasses......sorry for the pause in answering-been active in a posting re housing for Veterans and the attitude of SOME local councils toward Veterans (the younger ones)......Take Care

Fantastic effort from all of you--b---marvellous.....Many thanks....Keep it up...Take Care.

Hi Hugh- So many different answers too a simple question mate. Fact is thousands were done out of a pension. with no thought of compensation, or any other good making action. Thanks all for the signatures...Take Care.

Not far too go now lads and lasses. Thank you all very much for the support to date, and of course 38° for the platform. Sorry im a bit late in writing, but had a small problem on FB........About what is political or not.......Varies from group too group. Now resolved i was removed...........Wish you all everything good Take Care

Just 51 too go too the 5000 well done all. ill re post again and that will crack it i think. Take Care

Just 70 votes to go. Slowing down now.........i have to post it again on FB.....then we will have the 70 that we need. Thanks and take care.

Thanks for the effort, we are doing well at the moment getting near the 5000 mark so please keep it up. Take Care

Thanks all for the signatures and the support, keeep up the good work. We have to keep posting the petition as it scrolls down very quickly. i noticed that if i post it a new every week or so it increases in leeps and bounds, leave it for a week and it stops........Social network problem all over the World. Problem is some admins get nervy, why i dont know. So please share a much as you can, it keeps the petition in mind........Thanks

Thanks all for the signatures. May i take the opportunity to wish you all a very happy and healthy New Year. We are well on our way too the 5000 mark. and then we will see.
I still believe that the cost of retrospective pensions is not a reason for not paying. We payed indirectly for our pensions, and should receive them. If we thought that paying pensions would derive our service persons of the best equipment, i would re think. Again Thanks and Take Care.

Thanks for the effort, Wonderfull, What a jump too the 5000, and some interesting postings. We wish you all a very Happy Christmas, and a healthy New Year.. Take Care. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1669768799916830&set=gm.746408672115301&type=1

JUst a bit over 200 needed, blow me over. Thanks all for the effort today...........Wonderfull.

I would like to take time to say thanks to 38° for providing a top platform, for our petition. I am sure you will all join me in wishing the 38° Team a very happy Christmas, and a Healthy New Year. Take Care

Hi and thanks for the signatures, certainly boosted the votes Dave, so thanks again. Thanks for the postings here, it helps to back up our postings at https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/. Please take a look and join the group if you feel you can contribute a bit more too our efforts to get equal right for those that lost out, many of them being you lads and lasses that signed here........Take Care.

Thanks too all those that are signing from Forces reunited. I see that David has recommended this petition. Thanks Dave-at the start of my www wanderings i was with FU, and was removed because of spamming, i was plugging the governmental petition at the time. Thanks all for signing up over the last weeks, and of course those before, we my make the Christmas target would be nice.Take Care

Thanks for the efforts over the week, 4632 votes, we could make it by Christmas. Due to an Illness i cannot travel too the UK. and i am looking for someone to represent me when the petition is finishED PLEASE GET IN TOUCH::::::::YOU CAN MESAGE ME ON FB::::::::::THANKS:

Hi all thanks for the effort to date....seems that we will have to work hard to achieve the 5000 before Christmas. so i will get sharing again. i have had a busy week, on the lappy, and at home, now i have a bit more time for 38%s.......Pensioned off does not always mean an easy life, but i prefer to be occupied than just twisting my thumbs. Take Care.

Hello all out there, hope you are all well and enjoying the start of winter. Lets hope that those on the streets survive the bitter cold, and stay healthy enough to see the new spring, and that they have a warm place for Christmas. Thanks for the votes to date we are doing very well and i feel we will make the 5000 for Christmas. Take Care

Hi all. Had a busy weekend and must admit i neglected the petition. Thanks all for the support, i think we will reach the 5000 by Christmas. FB is a good social network, but due to the scrolling one has to keep re posting, or the petition dissapears to the end of the scroll. so as to say in hell. https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ the offer to join our group is open too all interested in its aims and we would be pleased to ad new members.. Sorry there are no Nudes or such, and we are strict about radical political postings, we don't want them. No were not prude and can even take a joke, and of course we hate abuse, but not criticism.

A big thanks too all of you luverly people that have signed to date. and too 38° for providing a top platform......https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ if you have the time join us here on the group, There is some info and links which are of some help, and interest. Costs nothing to look.
Take Care.

Pride and Duty I read Kenneths posting, and thought for a while. Pride in being a service person, and Duty towards our Queen and country was always our priority, because we believed that those that sent us all over the World to fight, would care for us 150%, in the same way as they expected, and got our Loyalty. and what do we get back ??????. Loyalty? NO-fair return for what was given?. NO........

Thanks lads and lasses for the votes...........https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ Take a look here, and if you wish, join us. We are looking for your experiences with advice given to you whilst serving in HM forces, concerning pensions ETC, So let us know, we are not political or such.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ Hi all, thanks for the votes, i reckon we will make the Christmas Target. I have posted the link to our group for those that want to join, but not just to add another group to your list, but to take part. i have posted some top links with info concerning pensions ETC, please post your experiences with the quantity and quality of financial information you received whilst serving in Her Majesties Forces.

On the same group is the petition from 38°, and i thank them for this platform, and of course all of you for signing the petition. Please share it with all you can, Christmas Target 5000 votes. Take Care.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ Come along and join our group, and post your story, about how you were informed about pensions and other important matters concerning service and so on. We need to consolidate the facts, and they are soul destroying at times.

Thanks for the latest votes. Take Care

Today is the start of carnival where i live, but im not in the mood. cuts here and cuts there the British forces are being slowly reduced. We will keep up the pressure though we are not asking for charity, but just the pension which we indirectly payed for. So keep up the good work for us all. Take Care

Good Morning all, What a top Remembrance in London. i watched a live stream, but my internet is a bit slow, better nest week, get Fiberglass. Thanks for the votes-we are growing daily, and think we will make the Christmas Target. 5000. Take Care

4000 plus, what a wonderful world. Thanks to you all too date for the top backup, and the never failing response. if we deserve a Christmas Pressy then it would be for me 5000 votes, what do you reckon; if i be a good boy????????. Take Care.

Take time lads and lasses and go to our group on FB.............Let us know about the advice and information you were given about pensions ETC. You are all welcome. and it is now private so for members only. The more the merrierLOL.

Thanks all for the 4000, i think we will go on until Christmas and see what we can achieve. PLease join us on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/. We have a small group, and you will see that we have a group that is 100% for the theme. No ?olitical extremes, or nudes, or such posting. I am looking for as many postings as i can get concerning pensions , and the lack of or wrong information given whilst serving. The group is for members only,

Once again i want to thank 38° for providing a top platform for the petition, we are near the 4000 mark which is good going for this type of petition, we want to be honest it is not everybody's thing, is it?, To some we are moaners or nest destroyers, well now takes two to tango. Take Care

https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ Hi all we have just changed the meaning of our group, but the petition is the same. it is private at the moment, but please join us. We want to get as many postings as we can about no information or wrong information concerning pensions ETC whilst serving in Her Majesties Forces. Please join us, i will approve all except right or left wing intensions, racists, or pure abuser. Why? because those sort of postings will get us no-where. So come along today.

The police, Fire Services, Ambulance Services, and Civil Servant all have Unions, we as service persons had nothing but sods law, face fitted all ok did not fit bad luck. We had nothing what so ever in the sense of a Union. We had WVS thank heavens we did, and the rest was what the Boss wanted he got, nothing more nothing less. The Chain of command was perfect, more than 3 complaining was mutiny. We learnt to keep out of the way after a Mess Function. Something could go wrong if you did not. Thanks for the vote you lovely people. Take Care.

Hello Peter. i have read many postings and reports concerning that lack of information. I was on a group in face book from the old Army Pay Corps. Many of the Old pay clerks reported that they who should have informed us, were not very well informed either. Costing thousands of vets their pensions. Someone did not like my efforts on the group and i was removed. Democracy rears its Ugly Head.

Thanks all for the last votes, we are doing very well so keep up the good work It is not going to be an easy ride, but the more signatures we have the better. Take Care

Thanks again too 38° for the platform-i have been working on the petition for the Jailed Marine, and we have 105,768 votes. Would be lovely to get that sort of a vote here, but we know the theme makes the votes. Never the less, we will achieve our targets as well, so keep up the good work. Take Care.

Thans too all of you for your votes we are slowly but surely getting to the targets set. Take Care

Hi Thomas we had the right to recieve a pension if we completed 16 years as an officer, or 22 years as a OR. The fact is we all payed for it by a pay adjustment, the reality is that not one political party has backed us, all pleading costs, and comparing us with police.civil servants, and the fire brigade, whom in my opinion all do a bloody good job. But they have unions, and us service persons had sods law. To day no one wants to know, and to fight for it also means be careful what you say as you may be dubbed right wing.

Hi Theresa Officers had to do 16 years. but also many did not make it. All serving service persons before 1975 were on the loose side of life concerning pensions.

Thanks lads and lasses for the support. We dont want direct war, but our troops are involved in war, the game played with a word means nothing. War. In the time of war service persons were respected and treated as needed and respected persons, today with political correctness being the active word wars are fought, and the title for the war, is such that our troops are condemed in some lands. Even at home a councillor called them killers. How can we obtain our rights if such persons (those that are there to support us) have such negative opinions. Not all, but many.

Remember we have no Union to help us, All the Orgs that help us do a bloody good job, but none of them have the powers of a union, So we have to fight in the way we can. Dont care about those that condemn us, or try to cause us trouble. Just keep at it, and apply all the pressure you can, yes all of you. Take Care

Talking to a lad the other day "John you know trying to get equal rights for Pensions is like trying to push a Chieftain up hill single handed" i thought about this and came to the conclusion he could be right. If you have no rights anyway how can you get Equal rights. Keep at it, keep on sharing the petition, keep on re-posting it to keep it at the top of the FB scrolls, and never give up, no matter what.

The weekend has gone like lightning, i spent the weekend trying to get some sense into information given to serving service persons concerning pensions and near themes. Like thousand bits of mince meat, and put together they don't even make a meat ball. Hundreds of postings, and other info, and nothing seems to make sense. Most interesting was the info from Veteran Pay Clerks, who reported a lot of negative things. i was thrown of the group, so i have nothing more from them. No i did not abuse the regulations, it was political.

Thanks all for the wonderful response, we are growing day by day. We know, and i know how hard it is going to be, because no one really wants to help, i mean politicians. They hide behind party lines-enforced by the whips, But we will not be deterred, by failing back bones will we???.

I have just received an answer from a letter i wrote too the Labour Party. (i am not political, i just wanted a comparison) you can read it , and my thoughts about it on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ It is worth the time I think.

Wonderful just under 400 to go for the 4000 mark well done all.

Hi Robert thanks, i admit i had to look that one up, and have learnt something extra today. I will take some time this evening to read all of the info. Thanks again and take care.

Hi Graham 1975 was the year of change, seems to be many reasons why, probably political, and recruiting- i dont believe out of love to the service persons still serving or the Veterans who should have be included in the packet.

Too all of you that have signed up to date-Thank you, and please do not loose patience with us, we will strike one day, and see what happens. Selecting the time is also very important ;-)) LOL.

Hello John G-just the same as me mate 14 years and just the OAP, and there are still some of our so called brothers that think we don't deserve a pension. Funnily no Sisters. Millions of GBPs or €s are being wasted year for year. I know we had a job, but the Military employment is UNIQUE, there is NOTHING to compare with it. We worked for 24 hrs a day, were without compensation always on call, moved every 3-4 years. If we had received a good separation allowance we would have been rich people after even 10 years, well most of us. Take Care

Thanks all for the votes, nice to see the 3500 point has been passed, and one again thanks too 38°s for the platform.

Thank you Brian for the vote. I hope things turn out better for you mate-take care.

Thanks also to ur last vote from Alexander M. that was 22hrs ago peope, so come on get at it. I know the weekend is slow, so i will post the petition in all the groups i belong to, and all of you post in your groups if as i say allowed. Thanks again Take Care.

Thanks all for the latest votes, If you are on other groups that are not military be free to post our petition if allowed, im not proud, and we will all i hope benefit in the future.

Thanks for the added votes, as you can all see we are on the way, and have a comfortable momentum. Keep it up. Take Care

Thanks for that David-its such groups that carry the most weight on the social side. Without them many Veterans would be totally lost. Just makes one think what are those doing that should be looking after us ??????:

Thanks Joy fairness is not a thing of those who are supposed to look after us. Thank heavens you have some.

Hi all, at the moment there are not many of us that are not worried about what is happening to many innocent people in another part of our World. Political Parties all over Europe are fighting elections, and each other for it appears political reasons. Isnt it time they get together and stop terrorist killing and maiming. Thanks all for the support and votes on this petition, and 38% for the platform. Keep up the good work, and we will succeed.

3433, and going strong. We always get a vote boost when i re-post the petition..........the scroll puts them down the bottom, and many FB users dont scroll down very far. Thanks all......does a world of good. Take Care

Hello Angela. What year did you leave, and how long did you serve. Send a revision application too the Pensions People. Use the same address that is on the notification. Its worth a try.
Take Care

Thanks all for the Votes/and thanks 38 DEG for the platform. HOW ABOUT CONTACTING YOUR MPs _ Go on have a go...........All of you PLEASE...........Take Care

Hello Victor-I received GBP 300. Which was exactly that what i paid to leave, so i was nil too nil.
Nearly every posting here or on F/B or on forces Reunited, relate the same story. Individual result, after individual service periods, but no individual SUPPORT. Reality- Thousands were mis informed on signing on, and at later dates on retirement. Thousand through no fault of thier own, lost pensions, and gratuities. Good career prospects, with the coupled pensions ETC, were often lost because a face did not fit in a certain location, very often a posting would have saved a career, and a safe future.

Super thanks. Still no info as to why i was banned, but i dont expect any. It is not normal these days to explain to people when you remove them for no reason. So i have learnt that freedom of speech only applies to those that think it applies to them, and not to all of us. Or they are frightened of the truth. Take Care all and THANKS once again. Keep it up. Take Care

Thanks for the latest votes, week end is with us so i will post the petition on the groups in the morning.
I used to be a member of the RAPC group , and have recently been struck of, i dont know why, and o one will tell me why. I never ever posted anything abusive-or Risque, just had a good scroll of postings from Veteran Pay Clerks, who gave same good information concerning the lack of correct briefing or no briefing atall concerning pensions ETC. Must have been true what the lads and lasses were posting, no other reason to bann me as far as i can see. Could be that someone did not like that. We will see, i will not give my right of speech away to anyone.

Hi all. Thanks for the Votes, we grow daily, and that does good. Is nice to know that we have the backing of each other. Every vote makes the Voter one of us, and her or he becomes a part of the we when we talk about the petition. Just like Yeast, a little warmth and it grown and grows,to much heat and it dies, SLOW AND SURE Take Care

Well ill be blowed. over the 3000 mark wonderful, Thanks all for that, it really does good, i am sure we will make the mark when we present the petition. Kathryn its not fair, an abuse of our Equal Rights, and a poor reward for what was given by all service persons before 1975. I am happy when i hear about those that made it, and get belly ache when reading about those that through no fault of their own lost out. i an sad about the lack of good information on such important things as pensions and gratuities. Gratuities were lost as well, oh yes they were part of the sums we did when deciding about our future. Once again thanks all, and keep up the good work.

Hi all, have been sorting out my lap top. and it seems to have done some good, its faster now. Were getting fiber glass some time this year.....we will see. Thanks 38° for the platform, and to you all for the votes, we are getting near the target now. i notice when i place the petition on the groups in FB It boosts the voting. Trouble is with the scrolling system, it disappears quickly as well. So i will re-post it tomorrow. Take Care Have a nice Sunday.

Hi Aiden a good reason to sign Thanks

Years of mis information or none at all, Why should we have to fight for our rights, when we should have been given them on leaving. We are now nearing the 3000 mark, i wonder how many of these lads and lasses have been deprived of their equal rights, must be a large percentage.?. Most of the comments on Forces Reunited, are in most cases stories of mis information to a downright careless attitude of those who should have been supporting British, and other service persons in our armed forces.

Hi Leslie that has been a point of mine since i started on this road. Down right lack of information, such important things need individual support up to completion. We were not informed, about pensions ECT in the late 50s when signing on, i had definitely no information in 1971 when i was left, thousand were allowed to go .days before an important date. Or instead of individual counselling were give a lecture in a group of upto 50 persons. We all know today that the pension theme is so complicated that ONLY individual support gives 100% certainty.

Summers returned here with a bit of heat. Thanks for the latest votes- JUST 82 More votes i reckon we can crack that before the end of the month. Now im being real serious, my Doctor wont allow me to travel so i need some one to stand in for me to represent all of the voters out there that took time to vote for the petition, and present the petition. Any volunteers out there??? Pretty Please.

Thanks for the Votes you luverly people, we are doing very well, and getting near the target. A big thanks to 38°s for providing the platform. Take Care

Brian there are loads of such reports, which indicates that there was a lack of correct information or none at all. Or and i hate to think this, we were just told no, and that was that. You should have been told about the advantages, and disadvantages of your intentions. . Contact me on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ please. Take Care

Thanks lads and lasses for the latest votes. and thanks for the postings. Postings are also important as they keep us informed about the ways our compatriots are being treated. Some of us are shamed by the way we have or are being trated, mainly because we never thought we would be left on our own by the big family we once new. Help is out there from the RBL, and the Regimental Associations, and other like organisations, but it the powers to be treated us as they should we would not need all of these organisations, would we. So thank heavens weve got them, without we would be completely lost, and i mean lost. Take Care

Thanks lads and lasses for the latest votes. Wrote to a political party concerning pensions-and Equal rights by e-mail. I got the usual answer, thank you and we have passed it on to the department dealing with your problem. That was a month ago and still no answer, seems to me to be the usual thing these days. i wrote a letter concerning my military career and how it was ended, the receiving person sent it to the MOD to deal with. It, was the Army that caused me the problems, and i had already had an answer from the MOD. I was looking for neutral help-seems to me that a pass the buck system is working in many cases.
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Thanks again for the votes we are doing very well. Donald, you are not the first person i have heard from about that. Write to https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEsQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.equinitipaymaster.com%2Fmedia%2F231390%2Fveterans-uk-pensioners-newsletter-2014.pdf&ei=UFoEVL_RDse60QX5-YHwAg&usg=AFQjCNG2ZQ8YrYrvZRYZ_dIYFFzgBK2chQ&bvm=bv.74115972,d.d2k the address on this news letter. Be interesting to see what they say. You can Message me onhttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006511770882. Take a look at our group on https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=601042769985226&ref=ts&fref=ts.

Hi Janis. Sorry to hear that, when did he serve? if you wish contact me with a message on Face Book. John Cole.

Hello Patricia, and all that have recently voted. Thanks very much for the time. Slow but sure we are on the way to the 3000, and nearly time to see what 38° suggest we do to present our petition. would be nice to present it to Kate, Any suggestions????.

Hello Janet. as far as pensions go bad times, unless you made the required years of service. after 1975 you just need two years for a pro rate pension. Not fair, and most of all an abuse of equal rights. Take care

Hi Ian H and B.
pre 1975 nothing unless achieving the required service time, after giving everything. Those serving before are the ones we are petitioning for as the Equal Rights as far as we can see is the only way. And it is an abuse of equal rights, just as if our service meant nothing, and after 1975 2 years service is enough to get a pro rata pension. Recruiting, and competition with all other employers was the cause for a look at the Forces in many ways, one was the pensions, understandable, but the funds have to come from somewhere, and that is why its always not in retrospect. Our service was devalued to pay for the future. I do not begrudge any of the lads and lasses that made the required service before 1975, nor those who benefit after that date. But i condemn those that are prepared to use our loyalty to Queen and country, but drop us like hot stones afterwards.

Lovely to see the Lasses voteing here, they know its not always single persons that have to fight for their rights, but often whole families. Lets face it without a top family Service persons are alone. Mums and Dads, spouses, and the kids, all part of putting a good service person up front.

They know very well that not many of us have the money to employ expensive Barristers, if we had we would not have to petition, and chase, and worry, and hope, and get angry at the blatent way we are treated by some, not all but some. Sometimes i think why? give it up, go in the cellar and build your Lap Steel (Hawiian Guitar)( it aint happy, got dust on its pick-ups), then i smile and get on to FB to post something new, or some info. So letskeep it up, and thank 38° for providing tha platform

I will never forget the pleading tones used to get me to sign on, i was NS. I was told about all the goodies, but not one single word about the fire walls used to stop you getting them. The goal posts have been moved so often just to suite the MOD for recruiting purposes or to be Polital correct.
I respect the good work done by the MOD, but detest the way in which they treat many Veterans after the 1975 changes. They promiss the World when they want something, but put thousands of barriers in the way when you want to collect that what was promissed.

Hello all, thanks for the votes. Hi Ian, thanks for the posting. You have pointed out one of the sore points in this whole buisiness. Why should we have to employ people to obtain our Equal Rights. We are trying to get our pensions because we need the money to live, and organise our lives. We counted on our Military Pensions as part of our finance plan for retirement, and got kicked up the proverbial, with no help whatsoever to ease the pain. One veteran wrote to me, that he would love to go to a re-union but could not afford the hotel. Many more reports along the same lines. in most social networks.

Has anyone written too their MPS?. Would be nice to know, i have to mine, in Sevenoaks we will see what we get for an answer. i used normal post-not e-mail. Costs a bit more but e-mails tend to take a very long time, an automatic answer that it has arrived, with a sentence stating that it has been forwarded to the appropriate department-then the waiting starts. Thats my moan for the day. thanks all for the new votes, and keep it up please. Take Care

Hi all, sorry for the delay in writing, had a few personnel things to sort out. First of all thanks for the new votes, and the interest in our aims. i believe its the time of new elections we should apply a bit of pressure on to our Mps, they want to be re-elected, so it is time to get them to make a clear statement, are they for or against us. So its time to write to them, and ask, it does not take much time, and if self writen carries more weight. So have a go, would be interested to read some answers. Take care

2 They are first class when they are not veterans but serving in some conflict, conflict over. and popularity down to nil, even to the point that the forces are to expensive, and must be reduced. Panic Panic, another conflict, ok lets re enlist the Veterans. and so on ??????. Alwyn thanks mate for the posting-short and too the point. Take Care all.

Wow!!!! The target is getting closer and closer. Thanks to those that have recently signed, and to those that are going to ;-)). Took some time to look at Forces Reunited, there is a project there, Was started by Mike, the gent who started the e-petition, which did not reach the number required. I am not moaning not groaning, but i wonder why some petitions get thousands and thousand of votes. Click it hit me like a hammer, Veterans are not popular enough, are they?

Thanks all for the support, we are doing well to keep up the votes not an easy thing considering the theme. Take Care

Hi Brian. Nice to read a heart felt posting, thanks for the support. I had a think of the Families day yesterday. A personal thing, for me, just to remember the Families of our Veterans and those serving, who have a great burden to carry. The daily worry if the loved ones will come home in safety, and not maimed. And for those that mourn, loved ones, or start to care for those that are physically maimed, and psychologically maimed. Take Care Mate.

Thanks all for the votes-Hi Robert one of the thousands that served, and have no equal rights. Take Care

We do not want more than any other service person, but we want EQUAL RIGHTS a guarantee given to us i believe by the European Union. So let us fight on, keep on the bull, and get the help of our friends, and relatives. Take Care

Thanks for the latest votes, we are getting on towards the target. Some of you may have seen the posting on FB concerning a Veteran that was refused a service, and was called a murderer. Such postings are not a rarity. Michaels posting meets the point, and Ronalds is one of the average, so many years and nothing. At the same time those after 1975 can get a pro rate pension for 2 years or more service, a total abuse of equal rights.

Thanks all fo the votes, growing slow but shore. I was practicaly told to stop posting in FB, after posting a remark concerning pensions, and medals. It seems to me that some people do not know what democracy is. We all fought for freedom of speech, sadly some think it is only for them, and not for all. No matter what standard of education, EVERYBODY has the right to post, as long it is not abuse, or deframetary. Here at 38°, we can post, as long as we abide by the rules, on FB i do that as well. Take Care

2- Social networks are great, but fast, a posting today can be at the bottom of the scroll in a day or two, according to activity. (out of sight, out of mind). So give it a go, report here how it went,maybe????. Thanks again-Take care. And on the 1st August a special thanks to 38°.

Thanks George-James-and Gilmour. and all others that signed up. It does good to see the votes growing, and getting near the Target. I know it is going to be tough, we are not the first, nor will we be the last. Elections are on the way, and i wonder if we can use it as an advantage, trouble is, before the election we are promised the World, afterwards we get the dessert, without water, or oil ;-)). I would like to ask you all to write to your MP, keep at him or her. 5 mins on the old box, is all it takes.

Two- Alone the effort, and the support you are giving, and 38°s for providing the platform is first class we are now over the 2500 mark and going strong. Wish you all well, and take care. Keep up the good work.

Hi all, im writing from a SPa in Germany called Bad Kissingen, my wife had a accident at work, and is on a Rehabilitation for three weeks. Thanks all for the latest votes, and for the continuity, most important. We have had our adverse critics, they seem to me to be those that have had the luck to be able to serve the full 22 years, and are all doing well. i am very pleased for them, but fail after many hours reading government papers ETC to see why they are against us getting our Equal rights, unless they fear if we get they may loose a bit!!. I dont know but it worries me that so called family members are so negative??.

Thanks for the support, we are doing very well, i only hope when we present the petition we get as much support...................I am havng my back looked at, at the moment will be away for 3 weeks, but a good hot spot here. Take Care

Thanks all that have signed, and to those that have posted, a message. Slowly but sure we are moving up to the 3000 mark. I have been busy informing myself, and have signed on to the Houses of Parliament Library. Amazing how much doubt about the fairness of the 1975 act had been put forward on Early day motions, on MPs Questions and so. All answers seem to be, we do nothing in retrospect, and its to expensive. We paid in retrospect though, and got nothing, Democracy i had to ask permission to get married, no way just inform us and fill out the forms.

Thanks Gillian, slow at the moment but we have time. I post this petition on a few military groups. and it is mostly welcome. On one group funnily enough my old Corps Group i came across hefty negative response and in one case abuse. One member suggested to the moaners, you dont have to reach the postings nor take notice of the content just scroll on. good advice. It wont deter me, but where is the live and let live gone?

I respect the gentleman opinion, but not his thinking-which is im right and all others that support this petition are wrong.. Many of the service support we have achieved is from those that have been badly treated by those supposed to support them. Keep up the good work please.

Hello all.
The following is part of a posting from a group that i belong to. At he age of 75 i do not need my ego boosting it is boosted daily by my family which includes 4 great grandchildren. I started this petition when a e Governmental petition failed to get the 10.000 vote mark. A friend suggested trying 38°. .
This is the posting, Qoote This unsupported ridiculous petition is only successful in boosting the creator's ego in thinking they are doing something positive, rather than actually having a positive impact on the people supposedly being helped, and even has a negative impact on the wider Forces community.

Thanks Carol for the vote, and all those signing today. I think we should aim at the 3.000 mark, not much response coming from the military groups i go too. Have a nice Sunday.

Hello Ken take a look here maybe they can help http://www.nfassociation.org/ In any case worth a try. Mate.

Have just posted the link on all of the groups where i post, some will be removed, and some will be left on. Thanks for the recent signatures and the response in general, and too 38" for the support. Im going to take some time looking for other areas of support, ie political partys, and such. Wish me luck, thanks and take care.

Thanks Frank and all. Slowing down a bit but not bad. i will post in FB again, notice that it does not compete with naked girls and such. But that is life, or so it seems.

We will work hard, and place our petition, but in our minds is what if we get the same old answer, or the whole thing will be passed on to the department that have created our problem. What will they do to help?, because it was them that got it wrong in the first place. "It would cost to much" is the standard answer, and billions are spent on others, that have never contributed to our country or its people in the same way as veterans have. Take Care

Thanks Alex i wonder why many that served, and later became don't care about older comrades.
I wonder if our Queen His Royal Highness or the Princessin and Princes are properly informed about the plight of many Veterans. Of course they cannot get involved in individual cases, but the whole must interest them. The Governments and MOD have the responsibility to look after the Veterans. What would happen if we did not have top charities in the UK, working for Veterans, and serving service people. In reality they are doing the good work that the MOD and Government should be doing.
We are doing well and our list grows daily, sadly daily, veterans are going on the last parade. We need things to happen now, not when none of us are left.

Once again a thanks to 38° for providing the platform for this petition. Take time to write to your MPs, you do not know how important this can be. Dont give up with a negative reply, the Ombudsman is also there to help. Get the Missus or Hubby or Partner on your side, and slowly put on the pressure. Don't let them get away with it, on the natural waste principle ;-)), that makes it to easy for the powers to be. Take Care.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2007-01-31b.334.0 For those interested a link to a Parliamentary Debate manuscript concerning Forces Pension. Slow reading-No Jokes-but informative.
Take Care

I have written a mail to the Parliamentary Labour Party, asking what they think about the petition. I am not political here, but have a Early Morning Motion link showing concern about the 1975 AP act., and it was mainly signed by Labour Members. ,that was 2002 and i wanted to see if things had changed since then. I am British Born-served my national service plus, and my heart and soul are British. Because i live in Germany now im called an ex Pat-----Pat being Patriot, and im certainly am a patriot. However that is the reason why im not political, i cannot vote in Britain.

Hello Beryl. Sorry to read that, and i hope you are now coping with life?. Take strength from those that have gone on to a better place. Thanks for your support, take care

Oops go here to read..............https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1549968281896883&set=gm.625835967505906&type=1 Take a look around, take Care

Hi all, hope you had a good weekend, and dint get to wet?. We are still moving on with the petition, very hard to keep a thread running on face book, many are not interested, mainly because they are not affected by the, 1975 pension act. That is why i jump for joy when non veterans sign, it shows that we are not forgotten. I have recently found a paper from the Houses of Parliament library. Which confirms that we did pay indirectly for our pensions. https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/equal-pension-rights-for-veterans-of-her-majesties-forces-serving-before-1975?bucket&source=facebook-share-button&time=1395655320. take time to read.

Hello new signers, thanks for the effort, makes things grow slowly but surely. in the f/B group, and some other Veterans Groups, plus RSA and a couple of more Corps Associations, there are many postings about pensions, the negative overriding the positive. Those after 1975 having hardly any problems, those before= another story.have a nice weekend. Take Care

We can remember when going into a pub in uniform, meant recognition, a few beers, and a lot of respect. Today you could be asked to leave in some locations, because you might offend. Things change don't they.

Just finished sharing the petition on a few military groups, maybe you luverly people out there could share it to some civilian groups. We do have sympathy within the civilian population, although many have been turned by extremists that due to many of us and our comrades live in a democracy which allows them to run us down.

In many countries in the World Service Persons are dealt with exactly the same as Civil Servants in pension matters, and dont have to fight for pensions when they are retired, When a cicil servant union gets increases for its members the soldiers get the increase automatically, and us? we have to fight for it, when we should be enjoying our oldie days. Thanks for the support keep it up.

Hi all of you lovely people. Soorry lads may i give a special thanks to the three lovely ladies that signed recently. I am not sure if i am right here, cannot get good info. Is it true that civilian persons did not loose pensions that they contributed to from commercial providers, their employeers. and that we Veterans are the only ones that did????. Be greatfull for any info.

Have a nice Sunday all of you guys out there..........Read today that the Prime Minister felt Humiliated, had to do with Europe. He should be humiliated about the way we are being treated I think,
Thanks for the votes we are moving on every day. Take Care.

Once again my thanks to 38° for providing the platform for an attempt to sort out the military pension debacle. Take Care

Thanks Anthony. and all that have signed today and yesterday, and the day before. Our petition is not what is known as popular-it affects a small part of the comunity-but a very giving one. Some of our mates did not make it to pension, because they never made it back home, dont need any special day to remember them. some are maimed, and bound to w wheel chair-or psychologically finished. Your votes we hope will ensure that the Powers to be, look after those that had the luck to come home, instead of ignoring them.

Thanks all, Just a question, have any of you written to your MP ?. Along with petitions this is a very good method to keep the petition in the picture. No matter what your political feelings are. You only get post in the ground if you keep hammering it, two hits and then a break will never get the b*******thing in.

That is it Derek Thousands have that feeling, and they are not naggers-or nervers- or drudges-but serious thinking people. We were expected to give all, in return for nothing, Take Care Mate.

Sorry about the muck up people. That happened to me yesterday, i was dumbfounded, , When ic comes to getting something then the National Service Time means NOTHING...........Our Generals and the senior civilians at the MOD must have known how we were being treated, so why did they not step in and put things right?. I hope i am wrong but may be they just did not care ???. Thanks to the New Signers, and to all for the cool support we are getting for this Petition. Take Care.

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At the time there was a recruiting drive in our trade group (spec op) to get N/S, and trained soldier to become regulars. He told us firstly in a group that We would get a pension, and a gratuity after completing our service. Nothing about signing on after your 18th birthday. resulted in NOTHING. The same lies or none info was told us all individually after we had signed.
How many of you lads out there have experienced the same problem PLEASE GET IN TOUCH on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ and let us know including please how old you were on signing on as a regular.

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Ever been done. Ever been done Ever been Done Ever been done.
Yesterday on a group i was advised to call a help line re my military pension, and for the first time since leaving the service in 1971 i found out why did not get one. The kind lady on the other end spoke one sentence. You were over 18 when you signed on as a regular, resulting in no pension.
So the 18 months i served the Queen do not count towards the pension. All of the info i received from the Recruiting Officer was sorry, crap, or missed out.

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I accept that N/S is not regular service, but combined service to Queen and Country, then to be done out of a good pension and a gratuity, As a reward for continuing service.I received GBP 300.00 as an incentive to sign, this was offered when i was approached to continue my service, and was not a part of a gratuity or pension on De-Mob.

Hi take a look here for interest. Thanks for the support.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1412519/Ex-servicemen-make-up-quarter-of-the-homeless.html
Ive posted all four to show no bias on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ A posting re Oldies and medical attention, was commented on as being incorrect. The posting is from the Telegraph. Of course you cant please all, so i do not intend to go into intensive research before posting a link from a News Paper. Of course in these days it does not seem to worry the people it should, the MOD+Government.
The Military is one Big Family, so why do they let their Children suffer A Family stays together even when the birds have flown, and stands by its children no matter what happens. I maybe wrong but it seems as soon as the military birds have flown, they are on their own.
Charities are left to help where they can, and they do a bloody good job, but WHY should it be left to them, to put wrongs right.??.

Thanks to 38° for allowing our petition, and for their support. Time allowing take a look at some of the other petitions here, all worth a look at. Thanks for the siggies to date,,,,,,,,,,

Thanks to all of you for signing, and for the public relations work, which keeps the whole thing moving.
No one told us that things may change, that the government could move the goal posts, that you might fall foul to political whims, or fancies. When i was due to extend, i was given a real sales talk, a group of four, and then alone. And you believed it all, because the bloke giving you the talk, wore a uniform. In my younger days i believed that no one in uniform would want to screw me. I learnt later that the people that mobbed me wore a uniform, and were people i had worked hard for. I had the luck to have an RSM who stood by me, but quietly-if the Co had known he would have had trouble. I was lucky in those days there was plenty of work, and i was in a job 2 weeks after leaving my regiment. and worked up to my pension. Today its not so good with the work,is it?.

Our lads are on their way home, lets blame the Italians. Just a thought, what s profi earns,World Wide. We are doing well here, thanks for the votes, and the interest. looking at some time near Christmas to present the Petition. Take Care and have a nice Sunday.

2. We received NO shift allowances, no overtime, no Sunday, or public holiday allowances. So in comparison, our pay was a pittance. Many made the 12 or 15 or 22 years, so they received a lot for their INDIRECT contributions. Thousands did not make it so received nothing for their INDIRECT payment.. Take Care

I would like to clarify a position. No money passed from our pay to the pension scheme, hence the INDIRECT Payment. Pay was adjusted to allow for the pensions to be paid. Remember if comparisons are made to civy street when reasoning as to why we did not get the pension. We were paid not for a 48 hr week but for 24hrs a day for 365 days a year.

Just posted the petition in Forces Reunited on Face Book, it lasted 10 minuets. Any of you out there members at Forces reunited? do me a favour try and post the petition there for me. Please. i used to post on their pensions thing, but was kicked of for Spamming. Although according to the EUs Regs i was not, you were invited to contact others on the page, which i did, and asked them to sign the Gov. petition. Some one complained and i was -dismembered. Take Care.

Hello Ian 1979,,,,,,,have you appealed against a negative pension return. I would do so, at least you have tried, and have a reason why not, or have your pension.......Dont wait to long.

Thanks all for the continuing support we are getting on well. Have any of you written to your MPs????? please try. the more pressure the better. Take Care

Hi George, many postings the same problem, that is what the petition is all about. Why should 9 years before 1975 be worth nothing, and the same service after a lot???. Thanks all for the votes we will keep going until Christmas and see what happens.Take Care

Watched the Football yesterday, our Granddaughters Friend is Portuguese, she is German.......Well now. Thanks all for your continuing support, we grow every day, any thoughts about writing to your MPs are welcome. Take Care
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im a very lucky lad, 6 months pain free after a 5 hr back op. Now busy saving for a lap top, mine has reached the end..It got to hot, my own fault, worked with it flat on a mat, and blocked the ventilation slits. im on my knees begging, would some of you nice people out there write to your MP mentioning the petition, and asking if they support it. Would be interesting to see how many refer you too the MOD. The problem was created by the MOD so how can they help, the answer is always the same, i believe there should be a totally independent organisation to judge and regulate, and not the organisation that created the problem. Its like our kids asking for more pocket money, and then saying ask mum (or dad) when you've both already decided, no. Take Care and keep up the effort lasses and lads. ;-))

I have been asked what group, i dont think its relevant, except that it is a military one. it was not the administrator, but i have left the group, as he or she did not defend me. on the Principe that i know when im not wanted. Thanks all for the effort to date. we are doing well, and the postings give a good feeling..

Saturday and going down-----shopping done, and just waiting to watch our Queen. Thanks for the votes and for the support we are doing well. In F/B in a group i read that petitioning was boring, Honest!!!!!!I love that sort of posting it makes me work harder, instead of sitting in front of the box....My partner and friend complains about both, maybe she thinks i am chatting up some bird on my Lappy. Wish you all a good weekend. Thanks again for the support. Take Care

Weekend is creeping up upon us, and the storms have departed, leaving massive destruction behind them. The strength of our forces is being decreased, what is happening with the money saved?. not for us i hope? i don't want to benefit from a depleting Army-Navy-or Airforce. I worry about all of those out of work Veterans, and their futures. Thanks all for the back up and support you are giving us, and for those that have been badly treated by a non caring system. 38° is a top platform, and we will keep them busy i hope. if you have time take a look around here and support others in their efforts to take a petition to its success. Thanks again,take care.

Thanks all the 2000 is done now on our way to the 3000. Please let us have some ideas as to when we call it a day. Thanks for your time. Take Care,, John..

Only if they had served 12 15 or 22 years Myfyr. and many did not make the required time through no fault of their own. Demobbed days before the pension date, and such stuff.

Over 2000, and still going strong. A heart felt thanks from here, and from all Veterans negatively affected by the 1975 pensions act. The D-Day celebrations have shown us once again what the word Veteran means. Today i would like to thank all of those that support us even though they are not affected themselves, that is what i call caring. Wouldn't it be nice to have a completely independent authority to investigate and decide upon such things, as it stands to day, the department that caused our problems also decide if they did right or wrong, a bit like self justice.

Hello Lisa. Just our sentiments, have a look at the group https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ Im admin there but not very good at it. any ideas.

Thanks for the time and effort put into the petition from all. we are doing well. Thanks for the input. Politicians do everything to get media attention, that was does not collect newspaper front page, or TV prime time is not worth a cent in propaganda value. The Veterans in France did a top job, to show that those that died and were maimed for us, are not forgotten. Sadly the news here had more Mr Putin, and the rest, with the Ukraine problem. Weekend and the momentum has slowed down, ill put the link on all of the groups im in, how about you guys doing the same in the groups you support??? Pretty Please...

Hello Godfrey correct. Take a look here http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2001-02/1652 and you will see that in 2002 there were politicians interested in the Veterans and serving Forces. It also proves who were not. Thanks to all of you for signing the petition, keep up the momentum, ask your friends, and real friends to sign, get in touch with you politician and put on the pressure, Take Care.

Just 59 to go for the 2000. I am looking for some-one to present the petition as i cannot travel, a back op last year is still being treated......Physiotherapy. Leave a posting here please if anyone is interested. I have worked hard at the hospital but will need another 9 months or more. Take Care

Just 74 more, thanks all. Hello William that certainly opened my eyes, one learns all the time. Where can i get your info on the net.......Another Equal rights abuse, and once again nothing in retrospect. The Prime Minister will be at the Normandy Celebrations of the Landings. i wonder if he is thinking about the veterans.

Hello Thomas-sorry to hear that mate, but a clear indication that instead of looking after those that had problems they just took the cheapest way out, and moved the goal posts to suite the situation.
If the recruiting was low, then do something to increase it, Pensions yes but only in the future, nothing for those that joined earlier, even though the promisses were always up front when recruiting. The head of our family the MOD does not seem to be careing for its chilldren does it.
Wish you all the best mate, take care

Thunder promissed for today, we will see. Thanks to all of those that have signed, and for the new entries. Does good to see the petition growing, and growing. i was asked the other day why i push the petition. Well i am 75 and if all goes well i might also have a benifit from it, although i have the feeling that (Natural Waste) seems to be prominent in resolving the situation.
All we seem to hear is "Too expensive". and "Not in retrospect". Think about this-we worked sometimes 24 hrs a day-no overtime for shift work, or duty on a public holiday. And of course saturday was also a working day, with a three line whip for football in the afternoon, no objections here, it was part of belonging. Trouble is these days we are often treated as if we do not belong. Take Care

Paul D. about 16 hours ago
Many had to leave for reasons beyond their control yet still did a good job. Time to correct this unfairness.
Thanks all for voting wonderfull job, well done.
Thanks Paul i hope you do not mind me using your posting, your sentance explains all. Thousands and thousands come under your description, If the same amount of effort, and money was used for them, as it is for others that never ever contributed anything too our country, and benifit from a false idee of political correctness. we would nt have to petition, and fight. Thanks Take Care.

Promissed 27° today, we will see. Thanks all for the hard work you are doing for us, the amount of votes per day is increasing, please keep it up. Thanks also for the reasons for signing posts, it does good to read the reasons, and makes me sad to see how many have been done out of thier earnt rights. Take Care

Nice to see the girls going strong.........i love you all------no trouble Guys im well past my prime, purely platonic. Take Care

Thanks Raymond for your posting and vote, nice to read. Does good to know that there are people out there with those sentiments. Take Care Mate, Good health to you and yours.

Good morning all from a little place near the Dutch border. What a surprise when i opened up my Lappy this morning-some of you guys are busy at night as well. i sleep if the church bells let me Mid-night is the trier Boing 12 times on the Bass Bell, we are new here, but the neighbours say you will get used to it. i did not ask how long does it take.................Thanks for signing and for your postings, It lets people know why we bother, for ourselves and for others. Its no crime to want for yourselves, and the bonus is you help others. Its a bit like those coffee houses where you pay for two, and a needy person get the second........Many of us were not correctly informed about pensions ECT. Many of those that informed us were not sure themselves.

Thanks lads and Lasses. We are definately on the move now, your reasons for signig are important as well. Take Care, and thanks again,

Earles petition (gov E) has reached the 11700 mark so it will be answered. it jumped foreward on the last 3 days, Fantastic..........Thanks to you all for signing our petition here, and lets keep on going, i dont think we will reach that sort of target, but we are increasing daily........Have a nice weekend and hope the sun shines for all of you. Take Care

Hi all thanks for the last batch of signatures, we are going at a good pace. Please keep up the pace. Take a look here https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ this petition is there as well,

Hi all My boss said i dont get any time off.......Well there you go, democracy says i coud have some time of but common sense says NOOOOOOO. Thanks for the top results to date, lets keep it going, we will get there. An old mate of mine, said you live in Germany mate, its different, that is true. I met my wife in 1969, and she was living with her mother, so when i demobbed i stoped here, caus mum in law was to old to move, if you see what i mean. But Equal rights for pensions apply to us all that live here. Ex pats, i hate the term, we are all patriotic and the smell of Dover as the Ferry lands is like heaven. Take Care and keep up the momentum please.

Thanks for the latest votes, a proud 1583 and goins strong, keep it up. On one group on FB i was asked to slow down on the petition postings. I am not certain at the moment why. it appears that they had recieved a sort of objection. I respect Democracy, so i will slow down a bit, and hope to beable to see the objection postings,and from whomm they came. I am just pleased that we are moving up here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Tommorows Fathers Day here so i will not be on the lappy in the morning- in the old days we got on our bikes, with trailers of beer, and dissapeared for the day........now we stay at home, hope that the missus lets us drink a beer, and wash up after dinner.............Manhhod youv'e lost your fight, no backbone- no stiff upper lip, just Fright ;-)). See you all again on Friday...........Ps you can stil carry on voting though. THanks Take Care

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64840 No im not trying to turn anyone away from this top petition site 38°s. This link just shows what is happening in the Veteran world, everything fading away bit for bit (its not noticed done this way) 2016 closure-then probably building developement-some ones got thier beedy eyes on the ground, or the money it would bring if sold as building plots............Take Care

Hello all, thanks for the Signatures, keep it up. Take Care

Thanks all, just going to get the old pot filled with coffee.............and then a bit of the box-news, and the Vote pull appart.......Must let the lappy cool down. Take Care

Hello Tom Thats good. Age counts, many of us are now well passed the 70s, and still waiting. Funny how they find money for anything, but our pension are to costly if they payed them. We learnt to clear up at our own front door first, and then help the neighbour, and it worked, no bitchiness up the street, because we always had time for the others. Sadly things have changed, and we count for nothing. Well that is how i feel anyway. Take Care

Im impresed with the amount of ladies that are signing, thanks girls, nothing like support from the gentle sex. Take Care

Thanks all for your interest and vote, A lot of voting yesterday- i had 5 voting papers where i live. Thanks Bruce. Topical at the moment, but just right to prove the point....im alright Jack bugger the others. I wonder what the ex service people that have become MPs think.....I wonder, none of them seen to help us of thier own free will. They just seem to pass the problem on to the MOD, and we know what answer we are going to get from them-dont we, the same as the Government. Take Care

Just taken a neighbour to visit her husband in hospital, she had a stroke as well, and is in need of help . There is always someone worse of than ones self. What a surprise to see the signings since i last looked, thanks all. Keep up the good work. Take Care

Hi Dorothy Thanks for the time and your signature.......Take Care

Hi I am John c, and have never been anyone else. Thanks John C for signing your not me mate are you;-)))). Hi all keep it up, and lets have a real burner before the football starts.......and then a signature extra for every goal scored.........

Seems to be something missing, Ah a lot of siggies. Thanks Bob for signing, you are alone today, maybe something wrong with the system. Thanks to you all for the top score 1507 and still going strong. Take Care

Good Day all, wet and thundery at the moment here, but getting better. Thanks to those that have recently signed, it realy does one good to see the support we are all getting, then as soon as you signed you are with us. So if i may i would like to say thanks from us all, and pat us all on the back. ;-)) I dont twitter, but may some of you could put the petition on there if you do Twitter. What do you think?

Hi All. Thanks for the latest signatures, keep it up. The Southend Forces Day have our Petition Link, they requested it, after i had mailed them. So they have my support where i can give it, take a look on face book https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=238421173024706&ref=ts&fref=ts a top link for all, not only veterans.

Hello Scott. One of the problems that we have is that there are a lot of organisations that are busy for us, but they have variouse opinions about the pension schemes, and we must be honest, it is also political. i have searched the Houses of Parliament Library, and have found only one early morning bill concerning the 1975 pensions scheme. and it was signed by Lab, and Democrates. If all of our Orgs. and societies got together, and with us went into battle we would have had our pensions long ago. I am not condeming any one. Then the RBL, and all others do a good job. But together for the pensions it would be a block buster.

I am trying to find out what the average military pension is in Europe, a hard quest. Any Idees?.
If i was depresive i would sit staring at the wall, and think what have i done to be treated like this. I served loyaly, with all i could give for about 14 years, i was a cold war soldier-a bit of ireland included, i was promoted with good refrences, but did not reach the 22 years. Why? because i was mobbed, and got the old knife in the back bit. But im not depresive, and found out i was not alone. thousands were robbed of thier pensions, and Gratuities, mainly through no fault of their own. Treated like the sand at the bottom of the gold seekers Pan, when the gold is removed. Thanks to you all that have signed recently, take care, and keep it up.

Had a doubter on Face Book this morning, but i respect the thoughts and opinions of everyone. But it is sad how quickly some give up, and sink into a no chance attitude. The truth is those that inpose a situation on to us that is unfair, an abuse of our equal rights, making us fight for our rights which we should have been given without any doubt about us deserving it or not. The recent walk out in the Lords goes to show that those that are supose to lead us, are only there for thier own purpose.

Come on all you luverly ladies, let me seduce you into signing up with you hubbies-partners-boy friends-and so on. My dad always said "if God made anything better than a Woman he kept her up there, beyond the clouds". So as you are all here on mother earth sign sign sign..........and Sigh Sigh Sigh. Take Care

The best reading i get, and that for nothing and on a daily basis. I have a secret, i hope there are some that read this and think " they are getting on very well, hope it slows down". Dont want that do we. Question how could we get more interest on the civvy side of things?. Write your idees here, i would be very pleased to read, all of those top idees.......and we would try them all, except the non printable ones;-)). Take Care

1336 signed on, tops, Thanks for the latest............our face book group is small, and we could do with some new blood at https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ im not good at that may be a bit old fashioned Ok old fashioned. all are wecome to join who support our aims, and of course our Veterans. We are being noticed because WE DONT GIVE UP, Hope you all had a good weekend. i have asked my local MP if he will support the Petition will see what the answer is. Take care, see you tomorrow.

About 21° in the sun on the balcony at the moment here, and im sitting at my Lappy indoors......my own fault i havent got the wlan sorted out yet. Thanks for the votes over the last 24hrs, and keep it up all.

Like at this point to thank 38° for making it possible to place this petition. Maybe you will find other petitions you may agree with, and could sign up. I started up by signing an E-petition from the Government, it did not reach the required amount of siggys to be considered, the target is very high, and there is a time restriction. A friend on a RAF site told me about 38°, so i gave it a try, and you can see for yourselves!!!!good results. Take Care Have a nice day, and enjoy the weekend.

Thanks all for the recent signatures, tha advantage of being a pensioned Vetran is that one has the time to give back to those that gave me so much as a young sodier. I know well that many do not agree with what we are trying for, but that does not stop you all signing and pulling the cart with the rest of us. Its a good feeling when one reads negative-it means we are being followed, and every no interest is smattered by 20 or more that are for us, and hope to be able to give themselves and many Veterans a bit better Life-then lets face it, many of us are pleased for ever extra GBP/Euro, aint we!!!!!!!!!!. World Football is near, how about asking your local Club if they support Veterans, and may be would put our petition on thier WWW. if you are a member would be a bit easier? maybe?.............Remember our petition is not political, so it dont cause trouble in that way, but builds acceptance. Wow, enough for to day Take Care

Sunny days on the way here............Thanks to all of those that have signed recently, and of course to all that have signed. If we keep the speed as it is we will pass he winning post earlier than i thought. In this modern day and age we are the oldies, those that were involved in many war situations, cold war duties in Germany, Falklands, and so on. Many were disgarded as technical innovations, and other requirements overtook them. The goal posts for Military Pensions have been moved so often that even experts have a problem interpreting the regulations. i can understand that recruiting requirements, and such need to be cared for, but at the same time care should be given to look after those that were droped of on the way. We never left anyone on his own, and always came home together, God willing. But thousand of us have just been dumped on the road side, but the next bus never came,DID IT?.

European Elections on the way, and many of us are wondering, how soon will it be when they give themselves more pay?, It worries me how for us nothing, all we hear is it would cost too much to pay us our DUES. But without a murmour they take double figure % for themselves, i mean all of those that are sopposed to be there for US. Some Veterans cannot afford to go to a Re-Union ive mentioned this before, but it hurts, Travel-Hotel Bill-entertainment on the night, so they stay at home, and wonder what they did wrong in the years they served. Where i live a man recieves over a thousand € to visit his Daughter, the flight cost i believe about 800€ return. The man does not work either. No he's not an invalid.

Good Morning from a Wet-Cold-and Windy part of Europe. Thanks to all those that have recently signed the petition, does my old ticker good when i see how you all are helping to make this petition a success. Thanks for the comments, they keep the thing alive and kicking, as they shew that people are realy interested, which motivates others to sign up. On facebook some one was always posting that we are not entitled, i wondered why?, now i know the gent is a councelor, no matter where and what political party. I like critic, but not when it comes up when a posting takes on with a top thread. Seems as if he wants to stop it. One Negative when all others are positive.

Cold and windy in my corner of Europe, but ok. Thanks very much for the recent siggys, Wrote a mail to my MP today, concerning pensions, a good man. See what he says. Sadly most follow the party line, ok discipline is not bad, but has to be broken at times to get things done. We had mothers day yesterday. Did good to sit with my wife and our lads, they like to hear me ;-)) telling stories about duty on the East West Border. Love to all you Mums that may read this petition-sign up with the men, and the other lasses. Lets face it without you our military life would have not been so easy.......Kit cleaned..Ironed and pressed for Guard.......Left alone to sleep after night shift.........Some top kids all with thier own characters...........Süpport when needed......doing with out us when we were on duty, or on excercise. And mourning for those that did not come home. My respect to you all, and if i might say, love to you all as well. Take Care

Hi all thanks for the newest signatures, and take care. Hello Peter, thanks mate for that, it seems to be a problem with the post codes-makes it restrictive, ill write to 38° later to see why we need a UK Post Code. Very undemocratic, many of us live other than UK, and are still Brits at heart. Ill let you all know what the answer is to that. Im still looking for someone to present the petition, i am seriouse about this, my health wont allow the traveling, and i have no idee how long i will be in this miserable state.............

But i have to be sure i can and that it is allowed. I am sure i have a good place here, for us all.
And hope we will achieve our aim, then every person that signes is part of the whole thing. i just try to keep it rolling, without yous out there im just as good a an ant on an ant eaters tongue ;-)). Take Care

One of the biggest problems is that the goal posts were moved to often, and no-one was realy properly informed as to his or her rights. I beleive that the pay people did not know themselves what was on or off. There is a thing on ForcesUnited, i was taken off accused of spaming-another story.
Hundreds are posting, and all have another story to tell, you could see that they were not informed about what was the real truth. Recruiters used the pension bait in imes of low recruiting. and so on......I am hoping to be able to present this petition to Her Majesty the Queen, on top of the two mentioned places.

Hello Bob. i have an equal rights application at the EU in Brussels, it takes time, and i am hoping for a positive descision. To date i have heard nothing negative, which is a good sign. Of course we should be treated the same mate, i did 14, and i know of some they were demobed a couple of days before ultimate. We all before 1975 paid indirectly to a pension, by having an adjusted pay........reduced to cover the pension contributions.

2 We had no chance accept the COs or go for a courts marshal.........And many did not go that way, because you went straight to the Guard Room, and if you watched the way the RPs treated those guys, you thought twice. We were, and are still being deprived of our pensions and equal rights. Sadly Natural waste is working for the MOD and the Government, Keep up the preasure, thanks a lot. Take Care

Hi all thanks very much for the recent Signatures, well done. David O i would be pleased if you could give me your info source. Some info i found from the Parliament Library. Early morning motions. White Papers are also a help, but heavy reading. I also found a letter advising Mp's about the payment method ie an adjusted pay-to cover the pension. As far as i knew you had to complete 16 or 22 years before 1975 to recieve a military pension, so even a rigged charge, or a bad patch could have lossed a person thier Gratuity, and Pension. To day a service person can get a lawyer.

Here we are not racist, but we are not affraid to state our opinion about the treatment of Veterans and those that gave all for the Queen, Her People and Country, and those that have never contributed anything at all, but expect everything.

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Thanks to those who have recently signed, it is a pleasure to see the petition Grow and Grow.
If you have time, take a look at our group, at the moment not very active, but i am sure it will get better, and your contributions are welcome. Please no politics, or religeon, have learnt in life that they are very personal, and can lead to problems. Take care and thanks all for the support

I had trouble last night, i could not get my Whats going on posted, seems to be ok now. My boot camp is finished so i have more time now to get on with real buisiness. i would like to write to the Her Majesty the Queen but usualy the letter go to the department involved, so that the answer is the same as the policy of the MOD in this case. Any one out there, with experience in this mater?

Thanks for the latest sinatures, it does good to see how we are growing.

Thanks for the new sigies, growing daily. The European Elections are on the way, i am contacting the politicians from my home area that are trying to get in, and asking them to say what thier opinions are concerning the treatment of Veterans in the UK, and Europe. Would be interesting to know how we are treated in comparison to the rest of Europe. Please keep up the good work. Take Care

A thought, when dealing with governmental departments remember, those working there have to carry out the policy degreed by the political bosses. I have spoken to some top people, who were sypathetic to my problems, but had to tow the given line.

Hi on a lovely spring day- Thanks to those that have recently signed, allow me to be proud of you guys. Take some time to post a short thought about the petition it helps other to see what reality is, Its different to the dream world, or that what leads us to believe its all Jam and Butter. Join us on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/rights-for-veterans-of-her-majesties-forces-serving-before-
Will be pleased to have you on the group-will liven things up a bit, but please no extreme political stuff, or abuse. We all have our opinions, but the group is for Vets of all ages, and thier problems are namy and varied. May be you are a profi in info concerning pensions ETC, or you have other experiences. Be pleased to have you on the group. Take Care

Seems to me i need to find another place to find someone to present the petition when it is finished.
As i have had no answers here. That is ok i can understand, i do not live in UK, so politicaly it is easy for me to talk ;-)). We will find someone no doubt. My health does not allow me to travel, and i think if i tried to present it here at a Embassy, it would not be very effective. Time will Tell.

Thanks Tony, and all other that have recently signed, It is tops to see the numbers growing, and that means support for us all that have signed, if we are affected, or sypathetic to our cause. All are important, and every ounce makes a pound, ok modern- every gramm makes a kilo. It appears that the UK are fairly alone at goal post moveing concerning military pensions, Sadly but true veterans seem to have more support in some countries, and less in others. That is why i am proud to see the number of Guys and Gals that are voting for us here. Once again THANKS from the bottom of my Heart. Take Care and keep it up. I wonder if British teenagers are interested in our position ? any idees?. please leave a note here.

Hi. Ive made a mistake with the posting on forces news, it was posted and is moved from the main stream to the right of the page. I am sorry about this as it was my fault, never do anything in a hurry;-)). At 1014 signatures we are all doing very well, would be nice to see some more comments here from you all. i am still looking for someone to present the petition at a later date, please think about this. it wont be easy, but i believe it will be worth the effort. Thanks for the support to date. Take Care

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=286253458621&ref=ts&fref=ts Hi all thanks to the last voters, keep it up. Please could someone post our petition on this link. I have tried again and it was removed straight away.. i have contact with BFBS and they did not remove it. So please give it a try ans see what happens. Im stil looking for someone or some petitioners to deliver this petition for us. to date no response.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ Hi all would be pleased to see you here, at the moment a small group but we will grow. We have an aim, so it maybe seriouse at times, but this is important, many are abut just to cause interuption, and a nuisance. We dont want them.

Anthony get in touch on https://www.facebook.com/groups/weforveterans/ And let us know how you lost your pension. I am looking to compile some aktual sit reps without names ect to include with the petitions when we deliver.

I am still looking for some one to represent me and deliver the petition. Due to sickness i cannot travel at the moment, a help would be luverly!!!!!!!! Girl or boy or both would be just right.
Please get in touch, Take Care.

We've done it over the 1000 mark and still going strong. Well done and thanks from us all that have signed, and those that are going to. I posted this on face book https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=286253458621&ref=ts&fref=ts, and it was removed straight away. Why i do not know. Ill try again today and see what happens. Seems to be preassure from somewhere to some groups and quangos to try and keep us low key. Therefore i believe we have a chance to get our RIGHTS. Keep up the good effort, tell friends, and work mates about our efforts. Ask your union rep if you have one if the Trade Unions would support us. If they are doubtfull, tell them the bloke that started the petition is a trade unionionist-and is proud of it as well. No i am not political-Cant vote where i live. Take Care

I am still looking for some one to represent me and deliver the petition. Due to sickness i cannot travel at the moment, a help would be luverly!!!!!!!! Girl or boy or both would be just right.
Please get in touch, Take Care.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/601042769985226/. Hi all here is an address that might interest you, as you have signed the petition. We are small at the moment but we could get bigger. so find some time to join us in the group. Thanks for the sigiey, and thze near 1000 at that, growing and growing.Thanks to you and 38°

Thanks for the Siggies. Have just returned from the boot camp Rehabilitation..........Back Op.
Makes my heart laugh when i see the response. i am seriousely looking for someone to present the petition for me. I know it wont be easy, and takes some time. i cannot travel to do it my self, but i am sure that some luverly person out there could do it for me. When shall we present it? that is another question i would ask, any idees would be very welcome. Take Care All, and thanks to all for the top Response.......Take Care.

Hi all should be the first too be read. Thanks to those that signed recently, Have a nice day. Keep up the good work. Take Care

Those that were got at on the knife in the back princible, let us know sign the petition and take time to post your story. Please no abuse, or such, just the facts, and how you feel. i read every entry, and respect all points of view. Am glad to get advice or help, and am looking for some one to deliver the petition one day. Due to health reasons i cannot travel, old ops story the back is falling appart.................Take Care

Hi All Put these in as a reminder. Please support the petition. on the Pension one were getting on to the 1000 mark, and still going strong. i know its nerving at times but if we dont keep on trying we will get no where, its just what the fat cats like, when we give up. And i know that natural waste is taken into account. We are getting older. It can be boring to those that had the luck to complete the full time, or joined after 1975, but remember we are comrades, and were or still are in the same bloody boat..Some of us even have become Directors and such, respect and that is genuine.

Hello Viv and Shirley. Nice to see you here, we do not get many Ladies. OK Girls. Must be some Veteran Girls out there as well. Hope Easter is going well for you all out there. Take Care

Hi all that have signed today-Thanks pleased to see you here. Remember to pass the petition on to friends, and any others you think may help. http://www.parliament.uk/edm/1997-98/1333.
Take a look here it is informative, as to how parliament thought. Please ignore the sig list as far as the political party the signers support, Important is that it was brought up. Pensions for Veterans is not political, it is an effort to get all Veterans that had their pensions stolen, thier equal rights. Of course we appreciate it when we get political support from all parties. or even one.

http://www.parliament.uk/edm/1997-98/1333. Happy Easter all, please take a look at this link. it is interesting. i am not over political as i live in Germany i cannot vote for the UK Elections. I put this in to show that as far back as 1997 there was an interest in the Veterans, and the pensions. Why has it decreased to practicaly NIL?. Take Care, and keep up the good work.

Thanks to all that have signed today, makes it worthwhile carrying on. Take Care-Be Good;-))

Hello Sandie. Thanks i never thought of that. Must be many such circumstances, serving then marrying a service man or woman. (in the old days Wife of-or Lady of) Saunds orrible!! dun it??.
Well then, come on Ladies join in and tell us about life as a Vetenarian Wife of if you are a Veteran.

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/pm-david-cameron-keep-your-promise-to-our-troops-compensate-service-personnel-made-compulsorily-redundant-close-to-pension-point?share_id=YRLGqmCxKB&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&v&x=%7Eopen_graph_autopublish_experiment. Id like you to take a look here. Thanks..........And how about joining our group on Facebook we for equal rights for Veterans pentions. You are all welcome if interested in the Service Veterans of our country and the Comonwealth

Hello all. Had time to think, and do a inner stock check. Last year i read an article where one reason for our pension refusell was that a lot of other persons would start to claim if we had our rights agreed to. How many OTHERS worked shifts without recieving shift pay, Were in battle conditions risking life, and limb for thier country, how many others had a contract for 24 hrs per day, yes correct we were paid for 24 hrs per day, many of us know what that means when on duty, or even on training. Our pay was reduced to cover the pesions that we did not get, i have no doubt anymore about that. Wishing you all a very happy Easter, Take Care.

Alan. Thank you for your entry. i was on a 3/22 when i first signed on, my reason for a 3 option was to find out if i fitted or not. The pension- gratuities- and career possibilities were explained to me in detail before my run out date. Our training was very expensive, and it is understandable that jam was used to keep us. What worries me even today is the difference in information recieved by the service persons in those days. As Veterans today some say they knew, other had very little idee as to what they would achieve in the reward side of things. i do notice that more information was forthcomming when the recruiting was low. i wish you and yours a happy Easter.

Easter in now upon us, and many will be enjoying the goodies that come with this holiday, many will not. Veterans that signed on to join the best club in the world, in any country, its armed forces. UK Vets, signed on lured by the good pensions-the gratuities-the promotion chances- and a certain job with a guarenteed future. We did not know that the governments and the MOD would let us down, we gave them all, for a miserable return. We even have to fight for the recognition in many cases. We wish you all a very happy Easter, and good health. Keep the ball rolling, all the way to our equal rights. And the same to all that look in here, if with us or not, then we are not bitchy, we just want what is rightly due to us.

Hello all, a great big thank you for signing, we are moving on very well now. I am looking for some help in the UK, as i live in Germany, and cannot travel due to health reasons. I can work very well in a team, and although i started he petition i cna work in the second rank as well. Lets face it the Petitions success is important, and not who started it........Please let us know here if you are interested. Today a young lady shared our Petition in Facebook, i was as proud as punch, and would like to thank her here as well, Thanks C........you are a darling.

Colin, Thanks mate, i can feel for you, its a b*********shame 10 years and in some of the hard spots as well. Its not right that you have to strugle on with the OAP when you should be entitiled and recieving a 10 years pro rate pension. Keep in touch mate, and keep us up to date. I hope you have got in touch with your Corps Association to see if you can be helped in any other way. The RBL may be able to help as well, you dont have to be a member to ask..........Take Care mate all the best

On face book there was an article where a Veteran was living on a grave yard, that is how are vets are treated.
We need to be fair here, and it is certain that many people that have incomes below the bread line are looked after, but vets who paid for thier pension, are still waiting to recieve the fruits of thier efforts, and the low adjusted pay they recieved. all of us that served before 1975 should get a pro-rata pension after 2 years service, the same as those who served after this date. Take Care
and a Happy Easter.

Thanks very much for that Lads and Lassies. The positive remarks on face book are many more than the negative. i respect the negaqtive because that is democratic, and some points give ideas on how to better things. As i have said before, nerve your friends-family, and anyone else you might thinl will help. i have a petition running with the EU. this is not a sign petition, but more an commitee thing. i have heard nothing which is a good sign. I do not think they would take it on Michael, One thing we have to think about is priorities, and that is something that our leaders have not sorted out. They have thier priorities wrong, and give to those that have not contributed to the UK at-all, but without a qualm take everything they can get.

Saturday, shopping done, and her indoors is baking some bread and a cake. Now just the two of us, and fed up here in the shops tying to shop for two. packs of meat with three pieces, or enough on a joint to feed 5 or 6. If you go to the Butchers it costs to much-the discounters have the market here. We are ok, but a lot out there are not, hey are not sure if they have enough money for the rent let alone a bit of luxury now and again. Many of them were done out of thier pensions, gratuities, and such. Many after serving 19-21-and some 2-3 days befor the 22 year point. So lets get going and get this thing moving faster. I live in Germany, so thanks to internet im all over. However i am looking for someone who is interested enough to go at it in uk. My health wont allow me to travel a lot, or i would be on the ferry. Get in touch, if interested. Take Care

Hi all thanks for your comments. Things are moving on nicely, so thanks for that. Please pass on to all of your friends, or at the club if you are RBL. Also in the Family, the more that sign the merrier.
On face book we are getting good response, could be better of course, but we are thankfull for every siggy on the petition. Thanks again, and take care.

Does anyone out there know of an ombusman or woman that are sympathetic towars Veterans. I have writen too several places and they all have sent my problem to the MOD where obviousely i alway get a negative answer. Why? Obviouse.

Thanks all for signing up, please help by passing on to friends if you are on a social network, and otherwise anyone you think will help including your military associations. i know it is not easy, as some people are not interested, but some just need a reminder that they have it good because others gave more than just doing thier job, some lost thier lives just doing thier job. Others are dissabled and maimed just doing thuer job. Many would love to go to a reunion,but just dont have the money, and on and on and on. Please keep the ball rolling-i am sure we will win in the end. Take Care all.

Hi all Many thanks for the support, we are doing well. Keep up the momentum please, and we will get there.

Thanks all for, signing and keeping up the momentum. I was surprised at the response, and hope that the later results may be positive. May i suggest you pass on our petition to you associations. example Royal Signals Association. Thanks in advance

Thanks to all of you that have signed to date, please keep up the effort with anyone you know who might support us. Its only a couple of Mins on the net, and done. Maybe have a chat with your local MP. Ask your council if they have a Vet organisation, chat with friends. Print out a few copies of the Petition and ask the local shopkeepers if they will allow you to display it in the window or on the Chit Board. Take Care

Hello Irene. Thanks for that, i hope you are ok, and managing to smile when you think of him.
All---Thousands lost thier Gratuities and Pensions, and i was surprised at the effort made by some of the Organisations that should have helped the Vets, it was nothing. It wont be easy, because it is difficult to get support-mainly because of political reasons. I have to date never had a answer telling me how i might obtain my rights. Only sorry it doesn't work in retrospect, so they can move the goal posts when ever it suites them. On the Pensions Board there are Reps from the British Legion, and other organisations. So why does nothing happen?. These organisations do a wonderfull job, but this problem seems to be a big problem. Would be nice if they would openly back us up, and support us in our efforts.

Hello all, we have our own group in face book. we for equal rights for veterans pension. Go there you are very welcome to join. At the moment we have 30 members, would be pleased to have all that signed here in the group. Keep it clean, banter alowed, but please no radical political stuff.
Bring friends along, no mater if veterans or not, we have many sypathisers with plenty of idees, and experience in this line of things. Take Care, see you soon.

Brian Y.
Im not sure but you should have recieved something for 12 years service.
All, we are doing well please pass on to your friends, and any groups you might support the more the merrier. i am going to try to get something going in Australia-Canada-Newzealand. Commonwealth-together we will be wealthy;-)). Out there, there is a load of knowledge, those that have been through the fight to get equal rights, and pension, will help where they can im sure. Join the Face Book Group, and put your point. Thanks too you all for the support to date.

Hi all, please pass on to all you can. i have a question. Veteran agencies should support us aswell, or am i wrong here. We are now getting on towards the 500 mark, and momentum has slowed down a bit, not to worry. i would be gratefull for any idees that would help.
Take Care
John

Have been busy in Face Book, and other sites. Would like to say that this is although a Veterans Petition it involves us all. Veterans were and are those that served for us all in war, and warlike situations. This means that even though you might have a problem with War and such, you are in the position to be able to afford your opinions due to the fact that service persons were there when needed. These did thier jobs very well, or we would not be free people to-day.
So join in/or us in fighting for our pensions-and equal rights. It is easy to forget Service Persons in a peace time situations, and none of us want War. Because we have Military we are able to live as we do, in a free Europe with Freedom of Speech, and movement.
So once again join in vote, and assist us Oldies, and those that served up to 1975 to get what is thiers. Thanks in advance, take care.

Wow faster than i expected, wonderfull!!!! thanks all for the interest and the signatures. Nice to know that out there there are guys and girls interested, it compensates for the dis-interest from some.

We are half way there, at the moment. Thanks, we have a long way to go so keep it up.
Once again thanks.